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February 3, 2018 at 8:22 pm #211891
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GuestQuote:“Everyone says forgiveness is a lovely idea, until they have something to forgive.”
(C. S. Lewis, “Mere Christianity, p. 89)
This is a powerful quote that is worth personal contemplation.
February 3, 2018 at 9:31 pm #326767Anonymous
Guest:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Love it, and it’s absolutely correct. Ol’ Clive hit it on the head again. What most people want is mercy for themselves and justice for everyone else while not really understanding what justice means (it’s much more related to fairness than punishment, BTW). Are we going to be shocked when we find Hitler or Manson in the CK? We shouldn’t be.February 3, 2018 at 10:59 pm #326768Anonymous
GuestAnd then . . . It feels impossible. March 26, 2018 at 3:39 pm #326769Anonymous
GuestFor me true forgiveness is elusive. I don’t know where to find it or how to get it. The Bible in the church tries to teach principles for how to get it, but if you fail, it’s your own fault. And then there is self loathing that you were worse than the sinner. None of that helps. But Time dulls the memory in the heart. But those moments stay with you for the longest time. I do think that adjusting your life in the light of what you learned through the traumatic experience has some value in increasing your overall level of peace. That is been my experience as a disaffected Mormon. As a disaffected, Wounded Mormon, avoid the hurtful situations, find new pastures where those memories are not triggered. Do your best to live your life in the search of peace. And let time take care of the healing. March 26, 2018 at 4:03 pm #326770Anonymous
GuestSD, I believe one of the most feeing elements of “forgiveness” is the ability to move on. If you have found techniques that have allowed you to move forward and not be overly tied to past offenses, I would count that as a win.
:thumbup: March 26, 2018 at 4:15 pm #326771Anonymous
GuestAs someone helping a friend through a divorce, I can completely sympathize! I’ve seen some quite unpleasant things today… urgh.
April 4, 2018 at 11:44 pm #326772Anonymous
GuestForgiving, getting taken advantage of, walked on, trusting, opening up again, loving; it’s been a long road to figure out. I at times was easy to forgive others and way too easy to trust others. I found these two weren’t the same.
I heard a quote recently and it helped me navigate;
Quote:Forgiveness does not equate to a relationship
I can and will forgive, but that does not mean that I must trust or allow someone into my life. I’ve dealt with too many manipulators over the years. Sorry if I’m a little bitter

I have found the peace of forgiveness that comes by letting things go, and it’s amazing.
April 4, 2018 at 11:48 pm #326773Anonymous
GuestThanks for this post. I think I read this on this forum and it has helped me: Sometimes the person we have to forgive is God. Also for me forgiveness means learning to set boundaries which is along the lines of what others have said.
April 5, 2018 at 12:45 am #326774Anonymous
GuestRoadrunner wrote:
Thanks for this post. I think I read this on this forum and it has helped me: Sometimes the person we have to forgive is God.Also for me forgiveness means learning to set boundaries which is along the lines of what others have said.
If you have ever read the book, “why bad things happen to good people” you will recognize that same theme – learn to forgive God.
April 5, 2018 at 12:34 pm #326775Anonymous
GuestRoadrunner wrote:
Thanks for this post. I think I read this on this forum and it has helped me: Sometimes the person we have to forgive is God.Also for me forgiveness means learning to set boundaries which is along the lines of what others have said.
I spent several years being mad at God for something it turned out God had nothing to do with – at least the God I now recognize had nothing to do with it. I agree, being able to let that go and/or forgive God was key to my own healing.
April 8, 2018 at 1:30 am #326776Anonymous
GuestQuote:Everyone says forgiveness is a lovely idea, until they have something to forgive.
Ain’t that the truth.
This is a concept I’ve struggled with. One I think we all struggle with from time to time. I think at our core most people strive for justice. In a way, forgiving others can be like letting go of our need for what we feel to be just.
It’s a delicate walk and I don’t know how to put this into words. I’ll try.
Forgiving people that are penitent is hard.
Forgiving people that aren’t penitent is hard.
Forgiving people for a one time offense is hard.
Forgiving people for a truly heinous act is hard.
One category I’ve struggled with, and the one where I feel it’s difficult to find a balance…
It’s hard to forgive people when there are chronic issues. Not just one time offenses but a pattern of behavior that has happened in the past, and worse yet, patterns that you fully expect to extend out to the foreseeable future. You know the change isn’t going to come, the offenses
willcontinue but you have to dig deep to find a way to forgive… not just past incidents but future ones as well. Like you have to forgive a part of someone that will always be with them as opposed to forgiving a specific act. I think this is where we get into the struggle; where the ideas of forgiving but not forgetting and the forgiving but closing yourself off from further harm come from. It’s not easy. It’s never easy. If there was an answer everyone would be doing it and it wouldn’t be a struggle. It may take time, let it take time, it’s supposed to take time, but continue to work at it.
April 8, 2018 at 3:48 pm #326777Anonymous
Guestnibbler wrote:
I think this is where we get into the struggle; where the ideas of forgiving but not forgetting and the forgiving but closing yourself off from further harm come from.
For me forgiving is about moving on. It is about avoiding rancor, bitterness, and revenge.
Also it appears that not everyone naturally has the same ability to move on (resiliency).
April 9, 2018 at 1:27 am #326778Anonymous
GuestFwiw, we are not commanded to forget everything we forgive. That is a critical point that FAR too many people misunderstand.
April 9, 2018 at 5:31 am #326779Anonymous
Guestnibbler wrote:
It’s hard to forgive people when there are chronic issues. Not just one time offenses but a pattern of behavior that has happened in the past, and worse yet, patterns that you fully expect to extend out to the foreseeable future. You know the change isn’t going to come, the offenseswillcontinue but you have to dig deep to find a way to forgive… not just past incidents but future ones as well. Like you have to forgive a part of someone that will always be with them as opposed to forgiving a specific act.
Old Timer wrote:
Fwiw, we are not commanded to forget everything we forgive.That is a critical point that FAR too many people misunderstand.
Exactly. Forgiveness does not equal trust.
Roy wrote:
For me forgiving is about moving on. It is about avoiding rancor, bitterness, and revenge.
Moving on and letting go. Forgiveness is more for the forgiver than the forgivee.
April 9, 2018 at 2:06 pm #326780Anonymous
Guestnibbler wrote:
One category I’ve struggled with, and the one where I feel it’s difficult to find a balance…It’s hard to forgive people when there are chronic issues. Not just one time offenses but a pattern of behavior that has happened in the past, and worse yet, patterns that you fully expect to extend out to the foreseeable future. You know the change isn’t going to come, the offenses
willcontinue but you have to dig deep to find a way to forgive… not just past incidents but future ones as well. Like you have to forgive a part of someone that will always be with them as opposed to forgiving a specific act.
I have struggled with this as well. For me, this is where the principle of forgiveness blends into the principle of charity. I can choose whether to forgive and how to do so. It is charity when I no longer judge someone for what they are not able to do for whatever reason.
“Forgiveness is giving up my right to hurt you because you hurt me.” Jan Karon.
“Charity is revising my expectations and improving understanding of you so that I understand and can take into account why you hurt me.”
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