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March 29, 2018 at 4:41 pm #211969
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GuestPlease be understanding with this post. My heart is fragile. Yesterday my son’s friend died. Both boys are barely 21. They have been friends for 7 years. The friend had been battling a rare leukemia. It was so rare that 10 months ago when he was diagnosed doctors said it was curable in a couple of months. That cure never came. My son, his friends, and our family made hospital visits, took in food, supported and so on. Eight years earlier, the dad of this young man, was killed by a texting teen when he was riding his bike. The last 10 months, this boys widowed Mom, has had to walk a second death spouseless.
On Palm Sunday, my son’s friend, was released from medical care. He came home to spend his final 3 days in his room. We, along with other close friends, sat vigil with the family. Last night, beginning about 5 pm. My son and his closest friends surrounded their dying friends bed. They sang songs (they all met in theater), some read scriptures, others quoted inspiring lines. My son sang Bring Him Home from Les Miserables.
Moments later the young man drew his last breath.
I was in the grocery store check out line when the text came through. We spent the rest of the night mourning and consoling. These friends are Evangelical, but they said again and again, “Today he is with his Heavenly Father and his earthly Dad.”
Ironically, that morning I received a Facebook private message from another widow friend.
Less than a month ago, her husband died unexpectedly on a business trip. He didn’t feel well after dinner. He died in his sleep. He had one of those undetectable heart conditions. My husband was also on a business trip when his co-worker and friend died. I attended the service for both of us. We had lost touch with these friends from 30 years ago. Though the two men still worked at the same company they were in different departments and different teams. We each had moved from our original neighborhoods. Our kids were all grown. The funeral was my first contact with them in years. I had promised we would have dinner together when my husband got home. I have yet to keep that promise. Her message was a reminder of a much earlier co-worker prank the guys had performed. I was surprised to get it, because we aren’t official Facebook friends.
As I went to bed last night – my musings about death, The Veil (as we call it), and kismet ran through my mind. Were all these events and unexpected connections pure kismet, or are there powers that manage this life for the other side.
I know I desperately want there to be “The Other Side” I want those lives to reconnect. I want all the good in the human family to have a chance to go on. To reunite. To be a Shining City on a Hill. Maybe yesterday I wanted it bad enough to create an energy to make it happen.
If you have read this far, Thank you. If not, don’t worry. I just needed to see my thoughts on paper (or screen). Thanks.
March 29, 2018 at 7:32 pm #327529Anonymous
GuestI lost a friend of mine at the beginning of this year. Only mid forties, way too young. He had contracted diabetes and ended up losing a foot. March 29, 2018 at 8:07 pm #327530Anonymous
GuestDear Mom3, My heart goes out to you. I’m so sorry you and your son have to experience this. My father in law will probably leave this world in the next few months and I get it. It’s Easter time that I find myself really really hoping there is something bigger and better than us out there watching and caring.
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March 29, 2018 at 8:13 pm #327531Anonymous
GuestMy heart goes out to you and the families affected by these awful events. I think the questions you ask are age old, and we all want them to be ideal. Truth is I don’t know that any of us really “know” or can know. I believe there is an afterlife and I hope to continue relationships I have made here. There’s little else I can say.
Just a side note about other churches and their beliefs about eternal families. They don;t use the same terminology as we do (lacking the temple), and I have actually been in a couple arguments about this. But all we need to do is read the obituaries or listen at funerals and we’ll hear they do believe in eternal relationships.
March 29, 2018 at 10:46 pm #327532Anonymous
GuestDarkJedi wrote:
Just a side note about other churches and their beliefs about eternal families. They don;t use the same terminology as we do (lacking the temple), and I have actually been in a couple arguments about this. But all we need to do is read the obituaries or listen at funerals and we’ll hear they do believe in eternal relationships.
Kind of. I don’t really know any that explicitly state they marry for eternity. In fact the formula in some English language weddings has been “in sickness and in health, til death do you part”.
March 30, 2018 at 11:47 am #327533Anonymous
GuestSamBee wrote:
DarkJedi wrote:
Just a side note about other churches and their beliefs about eternal families. They don’t use the same terminology as we do (lacking the temple), and I have actually been in a couple arguments about this. But all we need to do is read the obituaries or listen at funerals and we’ll hear they do believe in eternal relationships.
Kind of. I don’t really know any that explicitly state they marry for eternity. In fact the formula in some English language weddings has been “in sickness and in health, til death do you part”.
Yeah, I know “until death do you part” is our big thing about eternal marriage and other churches. I do know some members of other churches who absolutely believe there are no relationships – marriage or otherwise – in the next life, and some who cite Jesus’s statement about marriage in heaven as evidence of such (and given that statement they might be right). But the majority of my friends do believe there are at least relationships after this life and some are quite adamant that they will be married. When asked about “until death do you part” I get a variety of answers ranging from “That wasn’t part of our ceremony/vows” to “It means a temporary parting to be reunited later” to “That’s an arcane statement alluding to the idea we shouldn’t get divorced (along with the whole sickness/health, richer/poorer, etc.).” As I said, they don’t use the same terminology and lack the temple terminology, but we don’t have a monopoly on the idea of eternal marriage or eternal relationships. The truth is people want those kinds of relationships, which is what makes our theology on the subject appealing. Relating back to the OP, I think most of the things we say to people who are mourning the loss of a loved one are really to bring some level of comfort or consolation. Hence, although the scriptures say little about the afterlife, various theologies have developed over time in relation to the afterlife and death.
March 31, 2018 at 1:02 pm #327534Anonymous
GuestI just happened to stumble over this one this morning while surfing. If we substitute Mormon/LDS for Catholic, it sounds like many stories we hear here or see in our own wards. I wonder if there’s a StayCatholic forum? (I can relate to it as a former Catholic as well – when I hear Mass from St. Peter’s on my XM radio on the morning commute I also always want to say “and also with you.”)
https://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/a19644426/faith-spirituality-religion/ ” class=”bbcode_url”> https://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/a19644426/faith-spirituality-religion/ I share it here because of the beginning and the end. It’s certainly not explicit in that they believe they are married for eternity, but they do believe they will be reunited in eternity.
March 31, 2018 at 2:14 pm #327535Anonymous
GuestIt’s easier to be dangling half way out of Catholicism than Mormonism. March 31, 2018 at 2:42 pm #327536Anonymous
GuestSamBee wrote:
It’s easier to be dangling half way out of Catholicism than Mormonism.
Most definitely. And they don’t seem to care about it nearly as much.
March 31, 2018 at 4:43 pm #327537Anonymous
GuestIn my experience a lot of RCs now ignore the Vatican especially on sex issues. March 31, 2018 at 5:48 pm #327538 -
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