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  • #211971
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    I’ve heard the phrase “all they want to do is check the box”.

    I was wondering people wouldn’t mind weighing in on what that means to you? I have my own ideas, but I am curious at what people think it means. It wouldn’t surprise me if there is some diversity of opinion in there. Especially as it applies in the church context.

    #327557
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    To me it means assuming the goal in life is a checklist. As much as I have issues with Elder Oaks, I do like his 2000 talk “On Becoming” (if I remember correctly). He states that the goal in life is to become a better person.

    “checking the box” is someone focused way too much on activities and not on the more important matters. Like the person that goes visiting teaching, can sense something is off with the sister they are visiting, but just quickly gives the lesson and doesn’t in any way try to help.

    But I do think even I have an alternate definition (hey – the dictionary can have multiple). That is someone saying, “I have street cred for trying to do what the church told me.” This is often used when someone has left the church: “I checked all the boxes, primary, YM, seminary, mission, temple marriage, served in all my callings.”

    #327558
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    I agree with LookingHard on both definitions, but I would include a connotation of moving onto something else. I think that when the term is used negatively, there is an implied meaning that while the person has completed the responsibilities/tasks, they have moved on prematurely and missed the meaning of those responsibilities/tasks – skated through it as it were.

    #327559
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    For me, I’d define “check boxing” as a focus on the ends, rather than the means. You do what you do in order to receive a certain reward, rather than doing what’s right for its own sake. A focus on the destination, rather than the journey.

  • It’s the philanthropist who spends his life abusing his employees for personal gain, only to turn around and spend it on “the arts” or humanitarian work.

  • It’s the university professor who openly states in class that they hate teaching, and are really only there for the research (I had four of those at BYU).
  • It’s the employee who refuses to do anything not on their job description, or for anyone except their superiors.
  • It’s the home teacher who delivers the first presidency message every month, without developing the trust and friendship required to tell them “Is there anything we can do for you?”.
  • It’s the Bishop who passes judgement without taking the time to assess the situation and think things through.
  • It’s the member who fulfills their calling, completely oblivious to the needs of their own family.
  • It’s the Temple Recommend holder who pats their own back and feels like they’re a swell person, despite not having charity.
#327560
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A “sustaining vote”.

#327561
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I agree with all that’s been said. Examples:

Baptism? check

Ordained to AP offices at “proper” age? check

Eagle Scout? check

Mission? check

Temple marriage? check

Another example:

Attend all 3 hours of church every Sunday? check

Home teach monthly? check

Never refuse a calling? check

And in any specific calling there are all kinds of things to check off the list.

I’m not trying to offend anyone here, but in my view these are the people who are trying to buy their stairway to heaven.

#327562
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Box checking is when you try to reduce righteousness to a checklist of things that, if you do them consistently, you will be saved. Thing is, doing so will often distract you from doing good in the world around you. Box checking is something that Jesus is critical of in the Sermon on the Mount and many other occasions. I can think of one specific story where he’s talking about who is getting into heaven and a Pharisee comes in and lists off all the “righteous” things he did in his life and God essentially says “Go away. I never knew you.” It’s a sharp reminder that checklists do not have the power to save us.

Last Sunday, the temple president spoke in my ward. He talked about a list of 9 things that you need to do to “be safe” and resist temptation. It was stuff like read the BoM, go to church, pay your tithing, avoid pornography, got to the temple monthly, etc… I thought of a friend of mine who does all of those things (including working in the temple), sometimes to the extreme, yet he occasionally “succumbs” to the temptation of pornography (and that’s about it as far as his major sins go). By this “9 things” logic, the reason this friend can’t resist pornography is because he sometimes fails to avoid it. :eh: If your god is so petty that he will only protect you from sin if you check a bunch of boxes, you need a new god.

I think dande’s list is fantastic. I’d like to add to it.

– The full tithe payer who walks by the homeless in his town without a thought of helping them because he believes his tithing is going toward helping them. (It isn’t)

– The retired couple who spends most of their time in the temple instead of connecting with their children and grandchildren.

PEDIT: I agree with DarkJedi

#327563
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My wife had a visiting teacher that would stop by unannounced near the end of the month and attach the VT message and some candy to the doorknob with a rubber band. This would make my wife furious every month. In her perception this other woman was not making any effort to even contact DW, let alone try to get to know her and her needs. This other woman was just checking the boxes.

Two things were especially galling to DW:

1) That according to church records DW was being visited, ministered to, and needs met.

2) That this other sister was taking some sort of self righteous satisfaction and “credit” for doing so.

#327564
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I just took on a quasi leadership position where I’m responsible for seeing that about 40 faculty are complying with online teaching standards.

I feel that I’m a “check box enforcer” right now. Whether those things facutyare supposed to do actually increases student learning outcomes has never been tested. Some are common sense, but others, such has having a weekly announcement when you meet with the class once a week face to face, has me wondering if it’s simply announcing for the sake of announcing.

I like Roy’s example above — it’s doing something that looks like you’ve been effective, when your heart is more for the brownie points of appearing to comply than to actually achieve the final result.

Measuring process and activity, rather than outcomes, is an example of box checking in my view. And sometimes outcomes can be achieved and measured, but people choose to measure the supposed means of achieving those outcomes, whether those outcomes are achieved are not.

So, yes, at the end of the month someone comes to the door, disappointed you actually were home, and declines an invite in, and wants to simply report they did it — that would be box checking.

The person who realizes that in spite of the gold standard of a visit to the home, a home teaching family is better served by a quick catch up at church in a room on a break (because they re busy, and receiving a HT is a burden for the family) is actually doing the better job.

Checkboxes can interefere with outcomes. It’s the outcomes that matter….but people confuse going through the motions without getting the results we are seeking.

#327565
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Sinc you bring that up, I think context is important when it comes to box checking.

Spiritually: No amount of checking boxes is sufficient to make you a better person.

Professionally/Administratively: Box checking has its place. There is something to be said about having personal relationships with the people you oversee, but having boxes to check ensures that you get things done.

Back to the spiritual context: sometimes the church is all about getting things done when it really needs to be about loving people.

#327566
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For a lot of people, box checking is an important way to maintain a feeling of control and sanity.

As in most things (spiritual and temporal), moderation is the key. Neither extreme (always OR never) is healthy.

#327567
Anonymous
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In my work, box checking is necessary. There are certain tasks that must be performed either daily, weekly, or monthly and there are deadline things as well. Those things are not spiritual, but my job is dependent on them. In the church, I think most of the box checking things really come down to the old works and grace argument.

#327568
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dande48 wrote:


For me, I’d define “check boxing” as a focus on the ends, rather than the means. You do what you do in order to receive a certain reward, rather than doing what’s right for its own sake. A focus on the destination, rather than the journey.

  • It’s the philanthropist who spends his life abusing his employees for personal gain, only to turn around and spend it on “the arts” or humanitarian work.

  • It’s the university professor who openly states in class that they hate teaching, and are really only there for the research (I had four of those at BYU).
  • It’s the employee who refuses to do anything not on their job description, or for anyone except their superiors.
  • It’s the home teacher who delivers the first presidency message every month, without developing the trust and friendship required to tell them “Is there anything we can do for you?”.
  • It’s the Bishop who passes judgement without taking the time to assess the situation and think things through.
  • It’s the member who fulfills their calling, completely oblivious to the needs of their own family.
  • It’s the Temple Recommend holder who pats their own back and feels like they’re a swell person, despite not having charity.

  • Could this be condensed into just saying, “hypocrisy”?

    #327569
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    Old Timer wrote:


    For a lot of people, box checking is an important way to maintain a feeling of control and sanity.

    As in most things (spiritual and temporal), moderation is the key. Neither extreme (always OR never) is healthy.

    As much to do with being controlled.

    #327570
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    LookingHard wrote:


    dande48 wrote:


    For me, I’d define “check boxing” as a focus on the ends, rather than the means. You do what you do in order to receive a certain reward, rather than doing what’s right for its own sake. A focus on the destination, rather than the journey.

  • It’s the philanthropist who spends his life abusing his employees for personal gain, only to turn around and spend it on “the arts” or humanitarian work.

  • It’s the university professor who openly states in class that they hate teaching, and are really only there for the research (I had four of those at BYU).
  • It’s the employee who refuses to do anything not on their job description, or for anyone except their superiors.
  • It’s the home teacher who delivers the first presidency message every month, without developing the trust and friendship required to tell them “Is there anything we can do for you?”.
  • It’s the Bishop who passes judgement without taking the time to assess the situation and think things through.
  • It’s the member who fulfills their calling, completely oblivious to the needs of their own family.
  • It’s the Temple Recommend holder who pats their own back and feels like they’re a swell person, despite not having charity.

  • Could this be condensed into just saying, “hypocrisy”?


    Well yes, but it’s box-checking that might lead a person into this kind of hypocrisy. Box checking morality is a breeding ground for hypocrisy. Case in point: the Pharisees.

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