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June 18, 2018 at 10:23 pm #212148
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GuestI don’t serve in leadership per se, but I am close enough that conversations from our local top leadership trickle into my corner. It appears that Senior couples/members who have raised family are enjoying hiatus’ from local church. The guise comes in many forms but it causes a crimp in the watering hose. Some examples are,
* Out of town on extended trips. Sometimes to visit family. Other’s not.
* Still in town but become Sunday or Sacrament Meeting only members
* Accept only Sunday callings.
* Accept any calling, but that’s as far as it goes.
It’s growing rapid fast over here on the left coast. I chuckle because we are making these huge pushes for youth, YA, RMs. While we are mining the front lines, the back lines are walking away.
Is it happening in your area?
June 18, 2018 at 10:52 pm #329749Anonymous
GuestMy ward is way too young. We have 2 folks in the 80’s and are unable to take callings. Just getting to church with help is a big deal. One couple is retired and they already did a year long mission a few years ago – and one of them is getting a few bricks shy already.
So I wouldn’t be able to tell in my ward.
June 18, 2018 at 11:16 pm #329750Anonymous
GuestI have heard that a number of the older ladies will refuse calling in primary because they have already done their “time”. In some ways church participation can be like a job. We should not be surprised when people choose to retire.
😆 June 18, 2018 at 11:23 pm #329751Anonymous
GuestIt is not widespread here – except the extensive travel to see kids and grandkids. In the past, people tended to stay near extended family. Families are much more spread out now, but people with money still want to see their family regularly. It is so senseless to fight it that even older couple missionaries are allowed to leave their mission for family events. Well off old folks gonna family no matter what.
June 18, 2018 at 11:23 pm #329752Anonymous
Guestmom3 wrote:
It appears that Senior couples/members who have raised family are enjoying hiatus’ from local church.
…But then, who will be our leaders?
I think there are many members of the Church from all demographics going inactive. I always supposed those who had been committed to the gospel their whole lives, would remain active according to their health. Or at least more likely to remain active.
June 18, 2018 at 11:36 pm #329753Anonymous
Guestdande48 wrote:
I think there are many members of the Church from all demographics going inactive. I always supposed those who had been committed to the gospel their whole lives, would remain active according to their health. Or at least more likely to remain active.
Dad worked as a merchant marine and was away from home for long periods of time. Mom took us to church dutifully every Sunday.
I think that once they became empty nesters the sense of urgency was lost. It had been so long since church had met their personal needs (other than to help raise the children).
That is not to say that they no longer believe. They were born LDS and will die LDS. They received all the required ordinances and right now are just coasting towards the finish line.
June 19, 2018 at 2:40 am #329754Anonymous
GuestIt makes sense to me on many levels. I just hadn’t thought about it in a large scale way. We have one ward (I am sure it will be split soon) that is full of long timers. Nicest people, but they have done their bit. Even the Bishop takes quite a few weeks off. Can’t blame them. Even from a TBM perspective, we really only do live once. If your passel of kids are having baptisms, births, graduations, moves, birthdays and whatnot I would be on the road to those things in a heart beat. You can warm a bench in any old chapel. Travel is much more accessible in this era than it has been before why not take advantage. Especially in the off season. No kids or school options to bind you down. A mission is not a tour. Just sayin’.
Retiree’s. I so don’t blame them either. Sacrament is the only ordinance. If ordinances are still important, feel free drop by. Shake a few hands. Get on home. You’ve filled your dance card with years of moving people, cleaning their homes, attending scout and girls camp, and made casseroles for more funerals than you can count.
I am just curious as it grows, which it will, how will the Top Team step in.
President Oaks and his wife have been making the rounds to YA stakes, “answering random (selected before we got here) questions.” The main point is begging the YA’s not to marry out the church. I have this on absolute authority, my daughter attended one a few weeks ago in her area. A couple weeks later a former roommate shared a near verbatim experience pitched to another YA group by the same team.
It’s all on the shoulders of those dang middle aged families. Or maybe the Top Team will seek out the members outside of the Good Ol USofA.
Time will tell.
June 19, 2018 at 8:16 pm #329755Anonymous
GuestI would like to find a small inexpensive home in central Utah and live there part of the year. I would keep my house in my moderate climate and live there the rest of the time. My guess is that would be frowned upon. June 19, 2018 at 8:29 pm #329756Anonymous
GuestChurch can make for a grueling experience. Of all people I’d imagine that seniors are burnt out. It’s one thing to wear yourself out in the service of others but church demands often feel like work we do because we’re following the formula or something we do out of tradition; this is the church program, gotta do the church program, and it makes for
unfulfillingservice. More middle aged families would take extended breaks, go visit buddies in Florida for two straight months or whatever, but they don’t have the financial freedom to do so, they’re tethered to their job, which tethers them to home, which tethers them to a calling they may not enjoy. If you don’t enjoy your calling church becomes an absolute chore. Something that eats your life force rather than recharging it.
Maybe when it comes to retirement church is like an extra long snow day. You know what I mean, a snow day closes church, everyone in the family is happy because no one really wanted to go to church anyway and snow becomes the, “Hey, I’d like to go to church but… the snow.
” and everyone enjoys a guilt free Sunday off.
Hey, I’d like to attend church but I’m in Florida for two months. Have fun with the hamster wheel.
The wheel will still be here when you get back.
I just remembered, we’re going to be in Florida visiting buddies for
sixmonths. Seniors. Living the dream.
June 22, 2018 at 8:44 pm #329757Anonymous
GuestThere is a couple in our ward that splits time between here (California Coast) in the winter and Logan Utah in the summer. Six month in each place. So they get no real heavy duty jobs. What’s the church to do, tell them they can’t do that? The large group of baby boomers (I’m one) are reaching retirement age. So the numbers of 54 to 70 years old people is at an all-time high, and any inactivity by this cohort will be exaggerated by the high numbers, but as a percentage I don’t think there is any more of a problems with the boomers than any other group.
June 22, 2018 at 9:47 pm #329758Anonymous
GuestQuote:The large group of baby boomers (I’m one) are reaching retirement age. So the numbers of 54 to 70 years old people is at an all-time high, and any inactivity by this cohort will be exaggerated by the high numbers, but as a percentage I don’t think there is any more of a problems with the boomers than any other group.
I am in the bracket, too. And completely plan to enjoy retirement, however that works. I too feel like I gave my part. What I am finding is the leadership up and up doesn’t really have a game plan for this. The Senior Couple Mission thing has sort of died off. And with all the FC’s going around your pool to draw from is much smaller.
While the top tier is busy shoring up the Youngin’s – the Senior’s are happily off to the sunset. Not much anyone can do.
June 23, 2018 at 1:27 pm #329759Anonymous
Guestmom3 wrote:
Is it happening in your area?
Absolutely. I was on the ward council for a while. Our lists of inactives to visit and ask if they need anything were seniors in large numbers.
I live in a rural area. People who have lived here their whole lives have been inactive for a long time. Many stories of how they used to come, but not anymore.
Some offended.
Some sick and not willing to make the effort to come on Sunday just because they should.
Lots of scenarios.
Many just feel it isn’t important to their lives and they just slip away.
20 years ago…I would not have fathomed how that can happen. Now…I get it.
June 23, 2018 at 4:15 pm #329760Anonymous
GuestIt happens here and I get it. I have watched (and been a part of) our aging ward. I live in an area where people leave. Rarely does a child hang around. They go off to college (BYU or not), find a job elsewhere and get married and live there. That leaves us parents traveling to see them and our grandkids (of which I have none so far). That’s just one reason. I see others who are just tired, and as someone pointed out don’t have the kids around anymore to “motivate” them. I myself see little point in church anymore – I have proven I don’t need it. And quite frankly I don;t think the leadership knows what to do about it even if they do recognize it as an issue (and I think there is at least some recognition of it). June 24, 2018 at 2:46 am #329761Anonymous
GuestMy personal observation is when a senior member has been a Stake President, Bishop, Branch President, RS President, etc becomes retirement age, there seems to be an understanding that they don’t receive callings, have speaking assignments, give
prayers, etc. It seems to be understood by our current leadership that once you reach retirement age at work you are retired
from further assignments within the Stake & Ward. There are exceptions, for example Patriarch or Senior Missions or Family
History. It is almost a unpublished rule that leadership roles are for the young & their family. I’m not sure if that automatically
makes us inactive Seniors. I personally like this stage of my life. No serious regrets because I’m not as active. It gives me
more time to make social contacts & do the things I feel are important. Instead of being told what’s important.
For example, during the month of September, I plan to visit my son near Nauvoo IL. I want to attend the temple 2 or 3 times a week,
do Family History, attend a different ward & play with Grandchildren. Does that make me inactive? To some in my home ward, they
will probably make that judgement call. I’m fine with that.
(My own observation in this part of the Kingdom.)
June 24, 2018 at 12:02 pm #329762Anonymous
GuestI guess to clarify. In my ward there are two (maybe three) kinds of seniors. There are the ones who travel, etc., and there are ones who just stop coming for the most part and become Christmas and Mother’s Day members. I’ve known a couple of them – formerly very active – who just announce they are retiring from church and just stop coming. That said we do have a third kind who continue in activity and are there almost every Sunday sometimes with hefty callings. I don’t consider the first group inactive, although it does limit what callings they might have. There is a guy who spends the entire summer on an island and otherwise travels frequently who was very offended a couple years back when he was released as HPGL – but he wasn’t really doing the job, his assistants were and they weren’t very good at it. Active? I think so, even though he attends another church on the island. Able to hold a hefty calling? Nope – but he also seems to prefer it that way (hence being offended was a bit out of character). The second group I might consider inactive, but I have trouble with what inactive actually means because I believe one can “live the gospel” without coming to church. -
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