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October 14, 2018 at 9:17 pm #212296
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GuestSome time ago I posted about how I asked to be removed from the ministering pool and how local leadership wasn’t going to allow me to do it. I figured I’d take the low confrontation approach, not press the matter, and let them have me in the system while largely ignoring the assignment. That approach came to a head today. Today I got a special assignment to do something or other with one of my assigned families. I reiterated that I wished to opt out of the program some time ago. They reiterated that I wasn’t allowed to opt out. Before I could reel it in, “Given my background, I have a big problem with my boundaries being violated. I’ll resign from the church if that’s what it takes for me to have those boundaries.” was out of my mouth, hanging in the air.
:crazy: 😳 I spent the next 30 minutes trying to cram that toothpaste back in the tube but now I wonder whether I should have bothered (trying to recant). You can’t really set and keep boundaries if you’re in people pleasing mode and that’s what those 30 minutes felt like, me putting other people’s needs ahead of my own again.
That’s been on my mind lately. I feel like the only way to get people to stop pressing the mold down on top of me is to make an official break. I’d prefer not to resign. I figure the approach I’ll have to take is to go totally inactive. I could continue to show up but I feel that if I did I’d have to be an @$$ to keep people at bay.
Ugh, I need a reboot, I’m lost.
October 15, 2018 at 12:32 am #332069Anonymous
GuestSorry about you bad day. We all have those. I kind of thought mine was bad until I read about yours. So… take it slow, focus on what you do believe, and don’t dump all at once. 
Personally, I’ve been dealing with ministering the same way I dealt with home teaching. I just don’t do it. That’s not totally true, of course, I do minister all the time. But I don’t go to those I have been assigned to, although one family we have been friends with for 25+ years and we do have regular contact with them. I told my EQP he could assign me whoever he wants, but if it’s someone that requires monthly visits or is otherwise “high need” and more than a Sunday hallway chat can fix, it won’t get done. I know they are in the midst of a major revamp at the moment, so I’ll see what happens. Likewise, I have known many people over the years who have accepted callings, perhaps only because they thought they weren’t supposed to or couldn’t say no, yet had no intention of doing the job and just waited the few months until they were released. Passive resistance at its best.
All that said, as you are well aware I did take a very long break. I can’t advise against it and I think sometimes it’s necessary. You’ll definitely find out who your friends are(n’t). And, it’s much easier to stop going than it is to start – just my experience, your mileage may vary.
I’ve shared this before, but it has helped me in the past. Joseph B. Worthlin:
Quote:I think of how dark that Friday was when Christ was lifted up on the cross.
On that terrible Friday the earth shook and grew dark. Frightful storms lashed at the earth.
Those evil men who sought His life rejoiced. Now that Jesus was no more, surely those who followed Him would disperse. On that day they stood triumphant.
On that day the veil of the temple was rent in twain.
Mary Magdalene and Mary, the mother of Jesus, were both overcome with grief and despair. The superb man they had loved and honored hung lifeless upon the cross.
On that Friday the Apostles were devastated. Jesus, their Savior—the man who had walked on water and raised the dead—was Himself at the mercy of wicked men. They watched helplessly as He was overcome by His enemies.
On that Friday the Savior of mankind was humiliated and bruised, abused and reviled.
It was a Friday filled with devastating, consuming sorrow that gnawed at the souls of those who loved and honored the Son of God.
I think that of all the days since the beginning of this world’s history, that Friday was the darkest.
But the doom of that day did not endure.
The despair did not linger because on Sunday, the resurrected Lord burst the bonds of death. He ascended from the grave and appeared gloriously triumphant as the Savior of all mankind.
And in an instant the eyes that had been filled with ever-flowing tears dried. The lips that had whispered prayers of distress and grief now filled the air with wondrous praise, for Jesus the Christ, the Son of the living God, stood before them as the firstfruits of the Resurrection, the proof that death is merely the beginning of a new and wondrous existence.
Each of us will have our own Fridays—those days when the universe itself seems shattered and the shards of our world lie littered about us in pieces. We all will experience those broken times when it seems we can never be put together again. We will all have our Fridays.
But I testify to you in the name of the One who conquered death—Sunday will come. In the darkness of our sorrow, Sunday will come.
No matter our desperation, no matter our grief, Sunday will come. In this life or the next, Sunday will come.
October 15, 2018 at 12:40 am #332070Anonymous
GuestI’m sorry. Your leaders are WAY out of line. I know that doesn’t solve the problem – or probably even help right now, but they are acting exactly opposite of the spirit of the whole change in focus. This is the stuff that drives me nuts.
*hugs*
A woman in our ward told our RS presidency exactly what you said, in essence. Our RS presidency said, “Okay. What can you do?” She now takes food to people when needed and attends baptisms to support converts, because that is what she said she can do.
October 15, 2018 at 3:46 pm #332071Anonymous
GuestOh my friend – this hurts. Even if you take and LDS/Mormon/Church of Taco break please stop by here. You bring good insights, skills and much needed humor. Your leaders, as I understand it, are the ones out of line. Sadly that doesn’t help. They are still the leaders and you have them in your space.
October 15, 2018 at 6:10 pm #332073Anonymous
GuestWhat if you try to take Alma 30 at heart, and do a little test…. Stop going for a month.
How does it make you feel? What thoughts do you have when you stop going? Are you better off going and dealing with others that bug the crap out of you, or better staying away? Do you have more inner peace and less inner dialogue and turmoil inside yourself when you skip for long periods of time?
If you tell your wife and others you are seeking peace, and that is why you need to skip for a bit, that is a valid response. It doesn’t take it all the way to resigning yet.
If you find you can’t stay away because you don’t feel good about not supporting your wife and son…then…there is your choice…it is worth it to keep going for now.
In other words…others at church will be doing their thing…they like to challenge and stretch and share testimonies and sell snake oils…it makes them feel good about their testimonies. But you have to travel your path alone. You do it alone, or while wandering around in the presence of others.
I’ve been inactive lately. Love it. Now it is probably time to re-engage and go support my sons. ….well…just a few more weeks off while I go hunting…then it is all back in for a while. That is my decision.
You need to make a choice on what you feel most at peace (not total peace which is impossible…just more than the other option). Do a little test…see what you like better…tell your wife you are testing the grounds…see what others say about it…but mostly see how you feel.
My issues currently are not about church. They are about me. My inner demons. Whether I’m in church where I deal with church stuff that bugs me, or on my own away from church where life is throwing darts at me…it helps me see church is not the core issue…it’s life.
DarkJedi wrote:
I’ve been dealing with ministering the same way I dealt with home teaching. I just don’t do it. That’s not totally true, of course, I do minister all the time. But I don’t go to those I have been assigned to
This has been my approach lately too, like DJ…I just don’t do stuff. But…when I’m ready…I will.
Don’t formally resign yet, dude. Do some informal inactivity and test the waters first. See how that feels. That’s my advice.
Hang in there…Sunday always comes
…sometimes…when it does…just use it as a day of rest, not church.
October 15, 2018 at 9:40 pm #332074Anonymous
Guestnibbler, I’m with Ray. That is simply outrageous for your leaders to refuse to accept your opt out. Every once in a while I forget that church and callings are voluntary until my husband reminds me. We had a bishop in Singapore when we first moved there who came to say hello. People moved in and out all the time–long assignments were 2 years, and many were there just 6 months at a time. He said “Some people choose to take this expat assignment as an opportunity to skip church and not participate while they are living in Asia. We expect you to help with the ward and come to meetings unless you are out of country.” I kind of shrugged that off, thinking “Man, it must suck to be a bishop in this situation”–the ward was 100% expats. My husband was actually really pissed about it. “How dare he think he can intimidate people into participation?! Church is voluntary. We don’t owe him anything.” Regardless his distaste for this bishop’s approach, we did always attend and we both held callings. It just rubs him the wrong way when people act like they can force you to do church things.
October 15, 2018 at 11:30 pm #332075Anonymous
GuestThanks for the input everyone. The bishop is new, and I’ve been in the ward long enough to know he’s a genuinely good guy. I actually felt sympathy for him when they called him, hoping that the calling didn’t become a burden to such a nice guy. In that context I’ve tried to come up with motivations. I’m thinking two things.
He believes ministering is a priesthood responsibility. To accept the priesthood is to accept the responsibility of ministering. A “those are the rules” scenario.
- What I feel is more likely – he genuinely feels like having the assignment is something I need to progress spiritually, even if I don’t recognize it yet. Kind of like a reimaging of Hinckley’s every member needing three things, a responsibility being among them.
If I had to choose between two options I’d say that his motivations are pure.
Even though it came out that way, the threat to resign wasn’t an, “I’ll show you!” moment. It was more an expression of frustrations that have been building up over a long time. If I attend and try to approach things at a level that works for me I’ll always be butting up against people that insist I check all the boxes. Not unexpected. I just need a better way of handling things when people want to play hardball and I think I’ll also have to be more accepting of the fact that not checking all the boxes will make me always be a second class saint to the community.
As stated, I’d rather not resign or go inactive. Next week is stake conference, it will be easy to skip, so I’ve got two weeks to ruminate on a plan.
October 16, 2018 at 4:32 pm #332072Anonymous
GuestLove you, friend. October 17, 2018 at 12:56 pm #332076Anonymous
GuestI didn’t watch conference, but hearing snippets of it… …wasn’t there more emphasis on less church requirements outside the home and more emphasis of teaching in the home? More “the church is there to support you and families, NOT families are there to support the church?”
If that was right what I picked up from others…you might use this angle…and remind your bishop the focus is in the home. Whattaya think?
October 17, 2018 at 1:31 pm #332077Anonymous
GuestI don’t know. I really don’t feel like debating or educating anymore. It would just turn into a he said, he said back and forth and I might eventually find the SP breathing down my neck. I’ve been in enough ward leadership meetings with the SP (I have the lowest level calling possible to still be involved in those – assistant to the assistant ward clerk) to know that a conversation with the SP wouldn’t end well. Direct quoting from several of those leadership meetings:
Quote:Brethren, this isn’t a church of volunteers. This is a church of assignments.
Which now that I think about it, this probably set the tone for what I experienced. The SP is a nice enough guy but I think he expects everyone in the stake to have the same level of exuberance as he does to participate in all the church programs and goals.
Besides, I don’t feel like I should have to debate someone to create the space I need to live my life.
I should have done one of those things where you hide a phrase into a cough or sneeze.
cough COUGH
COUGH coughSatan’s planOctober 17, 2018 at 6:13 pm #332078Anonymous
Guestnibbler wrote:
Brethren, this isn’t a church of volunteers. This is a church of assignments.
Oh, so like the military then?

I am sorry for your poor experience. I do have alist of ministering families and a ministering partner. We have not gone out since the change to ministering. I do interact with one of these families on a friendly basis and try to be available to them. I also have friendly connections to two other individuals that are on the margins of the church. DW and I are not friends with them as representatives of the church but sometimes they make comments to the effect of “What good, salt of the earth people you are!” and “How good it is that the church hasn’t forgotten me.” One even asked that I give a message to the bishop. I replied that I almost never see the bishop (since I work most sundays) but I would tell him when I see him.
In my heart I feel that I am in keeping with the spirit of ministering even if I am not doing much with my assigned families.
nibbler wrote:
If I attend and try to approach things at a level that works for me I’ll always be butting up against people that insist I check all the boxes. Not unexpected. I just need a better way of handling things when people want to play hardball and I think I’ll also have to be more accepting of the fact that not checking all the boxes will make me always be a second class saint to the community.
Yes, I am definately in this second class saint category (ironic since DW and I are currently the core of the cub scout program). It is not a great feeling to be seen as lessor. Unfortunately this is part of my boundary setting. I reduce my contribution to the church to a more sustainable level. This causes a reduction in the perceived benefits of church membership – which in turn causes another reduction in my contribution. I think that I am now at a good and sustainable trajectory, but sometimes I take a moment to look around and wonder if I am tolerated at church more than welcomed.
Hugs to you as you fight the good fight!
October 17, 2018 at 6:54 pm #332079Anonymous
GuestRoy wrote:
It is not a great feeling to be seen as lessor. Unfortunately this is part of my boundary setting. I reduce my contribution to the church to a more sustainable level. This causes a reduction in the perceived benefits of church membership – which in turn causes another reduction in my contribution. I think that I am now at a good and sustainable trajectory
Thanks for sharing Roy!
I guess…that is still why I enjoy this group and to see I’m not the only one.
The interesting thing with these internal feelings is that you don’t get permission or reassurance at church to deal with it the way you want…but….it is nice to hear from others they do that too and just work through feelings and let go of things.
October 17, 2018 at 7:20 pm #332080Anonymous
GuestRoy wrote:
Yes, I am definately in this second class saint category (ironic since DW and I are currently the core of the cub scout program). It is not a great feeling to be seen as lessor. Unfortunately this is part of my boundary setting. I reduce my contribution to the church to a more sustainable level. This causes a reduction in the perceived benefits of church membership – which in turn causes another reduction in my contribution. I think that I am now at a good and sustainable trajectory, but sometimes I take a moment to look around and wonder if I am tolerated at church more than welcomed.
Yes, I think I have a bit of a, “have my cake and eat it too” problem. I don’t want to be viewed as less than but at the same time I don’t want to do all the outward things we do to prove to each other that we’re of worth to the community. It is what it is I suppose.
I do keep tabs and help out a few families in our ward, I help out a lot with a family in another ward, and even more with a family where no one is a member. One approach could be to ask to be assigned to the families in my ward where I’m already doing small things but we approach ministering the same way we approached HT – contact your families, find out how they are doing with the SP’s goal of reading the BoM by the end of the year, and report back to the BP no later than the end of this month – those sorts of things. Doesn’t mean I have to do it, but wouldn’t you know it, right out of the gate I got assigned one of the, “Where’s my visit?” types. Life is a comedy.
October 17, 2018 at 7:22 pm #332081Anonymous
Guestnibbler wrote:
cough COUGH COUGH coughSatan’s plan
I think I mentioned this here before. Sometimes we have email “discussions” for stake council or high council. A few months ago one of the topics was whether to turn off wifi during SM. This was my response:
Quote:To the wifi issue, I am firmly in the “teach them correct principles” camp. It sometimes amazes me that some of us who apparently voted for the Father’s plan in the great council in heaven try very hard to implement the opposing plan. My question is, since the church has put in a great deal of effort to install these devices in all building with the same password, what is the church’s policy? From a policy point of view it would not seem they would go to this effort and leave it up to willy-nilly local discretion. I will be very frank here and say that there have been cases where were I not able to access more uplifting material than what I am hearing in some sacrament and other meetings I would have left.
(FWIW, after this there were two responses in support of mine and one very orthodox response similar to what it sounds like your SP might say and the matter was dropped.)
October 17, 2018 at 9:09 pm #332082Anonymous
Guestnibbler wrote:
we approach ministering the same way we approached HT – contact your families, find out how they are doing with the SP’s goal of reading the BoM by the end of the year, and report back to the BP no later than the end of this month – those sorts of things.
Yes – that stinks. That to me seems very contrary of the spirit of what the ministering program is all about. -
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