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    I once said I might write a post about the verse in Thessalonians that says to abstain from all appearance of evil. I was asked again in another thread about that possibility. I have been crazy busy lately and, frankly, haven’t prioritized writing that post. Therefore, I am providing a link to a post I wrote on my personal blog that includes an overview of that verse.

    The overview starts about halfway through the post. Feel free to excerpt anything from that overview and discuss it here.

    Sorry for this approach, but if I don’t share the link now, I probably will forget again. 😳

    https://thingsofmysoul.blogspot.com/2011/09/proving-i-believe-i-am-not-better-than.html

    #333953
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    Curt,

    I like it. I think it’s a much better approach than the traditionally misconstrued notion.

    It’s often been interpreted as “Don’t do stuff that might make you look like you aren’t 100% righteous… like, don’t hold the door for an old lady who is walking into the liquor store, because someone might think you just came out from there.”

    I like to look at that verse as saying (my interpretation): “don’t do the things that seem wrong to you.”

    Let me quote here the NIV:

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    Do not treat prophecies with contempt but test them all; hold on to what is good, reject every kind of evil.

    In other words, do what’s good and don’t do the things that seem wrong to you. In our own very peculiar situation, this passage is really aligned with what we do. We generally try not to treat the Church, its doctrines, its leaders or its people with contempt, but we feel completely at liberty to embrace the good of it and reject the bad of it.

    #333954
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    The quote [In the subject line] is perhaps one of the most misunderstood scriptures in the entire Bible. In its original usage, it does not mean to avoid anything that even looks like evil – that appears to be evil. Rather, it means something like the following:

    Abstain from evil no matter its appearance – no matter how it looks.

    I bring this up specifically because I have heard it used to justify all kinds of things that keep us from doing good to our enemies – and even to those who are nowhere near our enemies. The focus is not on avoiding anything that someone else might perceive to be bad, but rather to avoid that which truly is evil.

    If I am a Home Teacher, and if one of the people I am supposed to visit and serve is only “available” when he is in a bar, should I go into that bar to visit him? If a woman is walking home in the pouring rain and I have the ability to help her, should I refuse to do so simply because someone might see me and jump to an incorrect conclusion? If someone has misused me in some way, should I refuse to interact further with him? (There are certain cases where my answer to this question is an uncompromising, “YES!!” – but people use it to often in cases where the “misuse” does not rise to the level of abuse that justifies avoidance or shunning.) Can I really be in the world and not at least “appear” sometimes to be “of” the world – doing good to my enemies if I never interact physically with them?

    I believe that one of the primary reasons we refuse to interact with specific others is that (specifically, with those who have not harmed us is a manner that justifies avoidance), at the most fundamental level, is a lack of valuing them as equal to us – that we define others in such a way that we can justify not serving and loving them in a way that shows we truly believe they don’t “deserve” to have good done unto them. In some way, we place ourselves above them and see them as “worse” than we are.

    I really appreciate this discussion. I usually hear this referenced in regards to the WoW. Such that do not drink caffeinated soda because even though it is not part of the WoW per se, other more impressionable young people may be watching you. They may see you drinking your Pepsi and think that you are breaking the WoW and may use your example as an excuse to experiment with breaking the WoW themselves.

    For some reason we really twist the scriptures in trying to justify how we use the WoW in our modern church.

    #333955
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    I think it matters why we are motivated to be in a situation that has an “appearance of evil” and the attendant risk. There are good reasons not to be at certain places at certain times – but sometimes there are external motivations to do so.

    I think that people in general tend to distill motivations behind actions down to 1 single reason that is usually incomplete and inaccurate. I also think that people don’t give others they know only superficially the benefit of the doubt and allow additional, more complicated motivations to emerge.

    I wound up going to a religious family-owned pharmacy (crosses and cross-stitched bible verses on the walls) for a labor inducing medication to complete a 1st trimester miscarriage. The couple knew what the medicine is used for. The couple also could tell that I was not pregnant. They did not make their judgement explicit that I was doing something wrong, but I felt their implicit non-verbal judgement for my choices. It is possible that I am misjudging their intent to judge me (putting words in their mouths). But, my husband was there and felt that they were giving off weird vibes as well. I wanted to tell them, “Look, I am not aborting a baby because there wasn’t one by anyone’s definition”, but I couldn’t figure out a socially acceptable way to do so (not to mention dealing with the personal potential eye faucets at the time). I know that I owe them no explanation to cause them re-assess their opinion, but I wanted to make sure the facts were represented accurately, and that my character standing in the new community did not take the hit.

    The irony is that the pharmacy usually doesn’t come to mind as a place of evil, nor do people usually think it evil to fill a prescription. I was filling the prescription to complete a process that had already started and to preserve my health.

    #333956
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    DarkJedi wrote:


    This is one of those areas where translation plays a part in interpretation, as does a more “puritan” view of things. The scripture is 1 Thessalonians 5:22 (KJV) Abstain from all appearance of evil.

    Other translations of the same Greek phrase include:

    NIV: reject every kind of evil

    ESV & NRSV: Abstain from every form of evil

    CEV: don’t have anything to do with evil

    ASV: abstain from every form of evil

    Just to keep this short and because I don’t have a ton of time at the moment, I interpret the scripture to mean “stay away from all evil” (wherever it appears) as opposed to what seems to be a common church member interpretation of “don’t do anything that could appear to be evil.”

    #333957
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    Abstain from evil no matter its appearance – no matter how it looks.

    I find this approach fascinating precisely because it can turn the common LDS misinterpretation of this verse on its head.

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    ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

    28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

    29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

    30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

    36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

    37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

    Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

    The parable does not give a motivation for why the priest or the levite neglected to help the man in distress. To modify the parable a little – What if the man who had been beaten was a Samaritan and the Priest and Levite declined to help because of how it might look to the community if they came into town in the company of a Samaritan? Then their preoccupation with the negative “appearance” of the good deed they would be doing would itself be a form of evil and would be exactly the sort of thing that Jesus would condemn.

    #333958
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    “Appearance of evil” has so many interpretations as a phrase and I have mixed feelings about it.

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