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September 22, 2019 at 7:16 pm #212651
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GuestI was sitting in PH today. The EQP was talking about the need to have ministry interviews on a regular basis. As I’m sitting there, I’m looking at our group & the chapel was filled. In the old days, we had:
Elders quorum with a President, 2 councilors & a secretary.
70’s had a President & 2 councilors.
HP had a group leader, 2 councilors & a secretary.
Eleven total to do the administration function of the Melchizedek PH. Now we have four.
It seems like an inefficient way to do business assuming we are going back to regular PH interviews, etc.
In the past, the HP would be assigned the single sisters of the ward too. There has been no mention of that continuing.
What am I missing?
September 22, 2019 at 8:21 pm #336985Anonymous
GuestI see it as much more efficient not having all of those people tied up in the administrative callings and being one united body AND working hand-in-hand with the Relief Society (if you’re doing it right). And the interviews aren’t monthly like in the old days, they’re quarterly and (again if your leadership is really paying attention to what the top leaders are saying) they don’t need to be “sit down” formal very often, although they shouldn’t always be informal. Our stake presidency (as the local presidency of the MP and with the blessing of the AA) has interpreted that to mean a formal interview once a year is in most cases sufficient – and in most cases that interview need not be more than 5-10 minutes because it’s not about the individual’s worthiness or accountability or anything else, it’s about their ministering families. That means the vast majority of the other interviews, some of which are also conducted by the RS, can be a phone call, hallway chat, or even emails or texts. Again, I see it as much more efficient. September 22, 2019 at 9:50 pm #336986Anonymous
GuestOur ward does their interviews by email or hall chat. The women have been a single show for a long time.
September 22, 2019 at 10:09 pm #336987Anonymous
GuestMy impression was that our ward was falling behind other wards in the stake at performing monthly interviews. It seemed like we were reverting into our old methods & metrics.
If we are, it seems like an inefficient way of doing it.
I am so removed from the day to day functions of how the ward & stake operates.
It probably is working just fine.
September 23, 2019 at 1:05 pm #336988Anonymous
GuestI thought it was more efficient too. You get a larger group of people to do the work, all in one place. It’s more work for the counselors, but I rarely had functioning counselors anyway. With only 3 people needed to do EQ work instead of 6 for the EQ/HP split, you can get better leaders to do the work. There is less drain on the Ward’s most talented and committed people this way. September 28, 2019 at 1:35 pm #336989Anonymous
GuestThe PH quorums were combined but when it comes to ministering/home teaching the frequency of reporting has been reduced and made less formal. With home teaching reporting occurred at the end of every month. There were also Personal Priesthood Interviews. As far as I know there wasn’t a hard and fast rule for how often PPIs should occur. Some wards tried to do them quarterly, some monthly, and some didn’t do them at all.
With ministering we’ve moved to an informal reporting that takes place once quarterly. I haven’t heard much about PPIs lately, maybe the informal reporting also serves as an informal PPI.
My only point is that in the recent past there were eight people (HPGL, EQP and their counselors and secretaries) to cover the reporting responsibilities of the ward and now there are only four, but the administering (distinct from ministering) requirements have also scaled down.
September 28, 2019 at 2:16 pm #336990Anonymous
GuestAnother thought… within the Melchizedek PH, what is the difference between a High Priest and an Elder? They seem to be the same within the ward but different on the Stake level.
My frame of reference was when I joined the church (1970’s).
There was a clear distinction:
High Priests: Leadership of Stakes, Wards, temple work & family history.
Seventies: Missionary work in the wards & stake.
Elders: Home Teaching & other heavy lifting.
Today it seems:
High Priest: Leadership
Elders: Ministering, temple work, family history, heavy lifting and HP out to pasture (no leadership calling).
Am I missing something?
September 28, 2019 at 6:07 pm #336991Anonymous
GuestThat’s pretty much it. It now resembles the original model much more than it did before the change. Just as an important element:
Reducing “leadership callings” is absolutely invaluable in small wards and branches. I know having more people available for “normal callings” has made a tremendous difference in my new, small ward. Given my previous callings, there is a decent chance I would have been given some kind of leadership callin when I moved into the ward. Instead, I was called to teach the youth Sunday School class. Taking me out of the picture, having the chance to do something like that is huge in a small congregation.
September 28, 2019 at 9:08 pm #336992Anonymous
GuestMinyan Man wrote:
Today it seems:High Priest: Leadership
Elders: Ministering, temple work, family history, heavy lifting and HP out to pasture (no leadership calling).
Am I missing something?
I can’t say all of this is true in my small ward. We have me, a counselor in the SP, and the bishop who are in the high priest quorum (there seems to be some controversy as to whether bishop’s counselors are in the HP quorum, our SP says no but from what I read they are). We do have some older HPs who are for all intents and purposes “retired,” but we have some elders who were never ordained HPs who are also in that state. Likewise, we have several HPs in their 60s and early 70s who are still going strong and holding “big” callings (for example the SP counselor is early 60s and so is our bishop and a counselor in the EQP who is also ordained a high priest, and our seminary teacher is 70). I chalk this up to our aging ward – I’m approaching 60 myself and in some ways I’m a relative youngster. In a ward where we had many more “youngsters” this might not be true – but I think those of us who are able are also for the most part willing – although I would by choice limit callings I might accept. When I was first ordained a HP at 32, I was the youngest guy in the ward group. Now 59, I’m still the third youngest and the other two are not far behind. I do plan to retire from work in the next 5 years, probably somewhere between 62 and 65, but I’m not sure I will be retiring from the church at the same time.
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