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    I’ve said this before: I try REALLY hard not to be critical of Church leaders. BUT…what is it with President Nelson and his need for “sacred silence :shh: “. He spent at least a minute (maybe more) last night telling the audience to control themselves during the announcement of temples. :eh: Why not let the members be excited and express that excitement? :problem: Okay, I’ll say no more….. :silent:

    #337383
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    Honestly I don’t get it either. I think he might see it as a reverence thing, but reverence comes from within not because he’s demanding it. Personally I don’t see any harm in shouting for joy in this situation. Mind you I’m not of the disposition to do that anyway but I see no harm by those who are so disposed.

    #337384
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    What about Brigham Young and his “Hurrah for Isreal” shouts?

    What about Hosannah’s?

    “We’ll sing and we’ll shout with the armies of heaven”? – I swear that’s a song we wrote.

    Even President Hinckley enjoyed audience jubilation. I had friends who attended conference shortly after the conference center was up and running. President Hinckley arrived with a cane. In a humorous gesture he began waving the cane as if he were knighting the audience. People laughed and cheered.

    I’ve said this before, Nelson is competitive. He is competing with the Ghost of Hinckley, who was beloved, and the ghost of Nelson’s own insecurities. So he runs to extremes.

    Under Uchtdorf we will be joyful. I promise.

    #337385
    Anonymous
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    It’s ironic. The hosanna shout is meant to celebrate the temple but it’s this awkward, forced, scripted celebration. Meanwhile we’re shutting down actual celebratory shouts.

    Follow the script. The shout was shouted. Check the box. Joy.

    #337386
    Anonymous
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    Quote:

    Under Uchtdorf we will be joyful. I promise.

    Whoa… That deserves another thread.

    #337387
    Anonymous
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    I can shed a bit of light on why this may be. The last time we weren’t told not to shout, Utah got a couple new temples. The shouts from people from those areas almost drown out the announcement of some of the overseas temples. I didn’t really notice, but one of my friends had served in an area where a temple was being announced and wasn’t actually sure if she’d heard correctly. I haven’t listened to Saturday night yet, so I’m not sure how it was done this time, but the first “please respond with respect” came at the very session after the one I’m referencing. (Is this making sense – I’m tired). I think it started as an attempt to keep things in control so everyone could get the chance to celebrate their own temple. However, it became this broad “don’t cheer” thing instead. The request for some respect makes sense. From remarks here, it’s gotten overboard.

    #337388
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    He tells jokes and laughs from the pulpit. (e.g., “You like 2-hour church. We like 2-hour church.”)

    I think daughter1’s comment is spot-on. He probably didn’t want the reactions from those in attendance to drown out the rest of the announcements.

    #337389
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    I don’t know Curt. In the past there were short little whoops or perhaps gasps, but no prolonged applause and cheering that drowned anybody out or added minutes to the meeting. Frankly I think he’s overdoing it and I don’t think people see that as something positive about him – sort of like the father who forces their kids to wear their church clothes all day Sunday.

    #337390
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    Here’s a direct link to some temple announcement reactions that I bet went a long way towards deciding to toss a wet blanket on celebrations.

    October 2018

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYOLBJnpDKs&t=4m45s” class=”bbcode_url”>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYOLBJnpDKs&t=4m45s

    The “irreverence” starts off with the Salvador Brazil announcement.

    The Yuba City California guy woots, because the previous woot broke the ice.

    The Auckland New Zeland reaction was likely the straw that broke the camel’s back.

    San Juan Puerto Rico got a reaction.

    The crowd laughed because there was no reaction to the Washington County Utah announcement.

    At the end Nelson was smiling, he was good natured about it at the time.

    I didn’t hear any instances of a temple announcement being drowned out by a reaction to a previous announcement. There were long, exaggerated pauses waiting for the woot woots to die down between each announcement. Having to wait on reaction to end before announcing the next temple probably factored into the decision.

    Some of those woots did get out of hand IMO.

    The very next conference, April 2019, Nelson prefaced the temple announcements with the following:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35t4czaLr-o&t=4m13s” class=”bbcode_url”>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35t4czaLr-o&t=4m13s

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    Now, please, listen carefully and reverently. If I announce a temple in a place that is special to you, may I suggest that you simply bow your head with a silent prayer of gratitude in your heart. We do not want any verbal outburst to detract from the sacred nature of this conference and the Lord’s holy temples.

    Which is a quintessential Mormon response.

    #337391
    Anonymous
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    The next time they announce temples during general conference:

    [img]https://i.imgur.com/gz9QHNe.jpg[/img]

    #337392
    Anonymous
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    Perhaps not announcing temples in GC would solve the problem (if it is a problem). It wasn’t always the norm and doesn’t appear to have become common until GBH in the 1980s. But even in the 1990s and early 2000s and as recently as 2011 (Paris, July 15) there were some announced at times other than GC.

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