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    So I have been finding it still hard to go to church each week. I have missed at least 2 weeks in a row. During those weeks i have thought about my temple recomend i currently have and how i havent even used it since i got it about 6 months or so ( I cant really remember how long). Keeping that recomend hasnt even kept me motivated to go to church the last few weeks. I have even thought about what it would be like to not have it and if i reallly want to get another one once it expires. I realized that was a long time away so i stopped thinking about that so much and just kept living my life.

    Last night i was going to skip church again. My teanage daughter was going to sleep at a friends house. So this is what i discovered. Its so easy for me to not go to church when my daughter is gone. I have morning church. Any ways she ended up coming home last night after all so i thought about going to church because of her. ( I dont want her to think i am not spiritual and for her to think i dont beileve in some of the things i still believe in) i want her to still make good choices like living the word of wisdom and the law of chastity.

    So i went to sacrament today. It was hard to go and i almost didnt but my daughter was out of bed and i knew i had to go. I invited her and she said no.

    So i guess this is what i was thinking about. I remember learning in church as a child to remember that God is watching you even if others are not. I wasnt able to live that so great as a child. I never made really bad choices but i did do little things like sneak food when parents were gone. That sounds silly as i say that. So i guess thats whats bothering me. My daughter thinks i go to church even when she is gone.

    How do i handle that? Do i tell her im not going? I have told her other things during the last 6 months or so. She knows i dont believe in everything i hear at church. She even attended a youth overnighter for a different church with a friend and i supported it.

    Part of me has been thinking lately that i can still believe certain church related things and not go to church at the same time. I dont know if i want to tell my daughter that though. I dont know if she can do that. Yep she is in active but a part of me wants here to decide to go to a church to at least be reminded of the things that can keep her stong as a teenager. And at the same time i want her to make good choices because she wants to not just because the church says so. I dont want her to feel shame.

    What do you guys think?

    #337777
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    In the end, you need to do what you believe is best. I wish I had a clearer answer than that, but I don’t.

    My youngest daughter is about to graduate from high school and now is inactive. I make my choices for myself, not for her. I support her choices for herself, not for me. I separate the two completely at this stage in her life. She will be gone in a year, and it is important to me that she know I love her and respect her no matter what she chooses with regard to religion. She has a wonderful heart and lives the Gospel well. I am fine with that.

    #337778
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    A number of things determine How you tell your daughter. Some that come to mind are:

    – how old is she? From your description, she sounds like a teenager.

    – how mature is she?

    – is she aware of how you feel?

    – or will she be surprised?

    – what kind of relationship do you have?

    – does she have a problems or reservations about the church?

    – is she reasonably grounded?

    One of my biggest surprises about being a parent is overtime your children can be a great source of wisdom, strength & understanding.

    I need to emphasize, this happens gradually over time. Another question is:

    Do you have friends around your own age you can talk to? If the answer is yes, use them.

    #337774
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    I think that we do things for our children’s benefit. Whether that is arranging playdates or moving into a better school district, we make calculated decisions on how to best raise them. DW and I attend the LDS church partly for the standards and community support in helping to raise our children. My children do not like the church services but seem to like the Wednesday night activities. DW and I appreciate that my kids are accepted and integrated fairly well with the youth of the ward.

    Old Timer wrote:


    it is important to me that she know I love her and respect her no matter what she chooses with regard to religion. She has a wonderful heart and lives the Gospel well.


    I love this sentiment. If you are not already telling your daughter, I would recommend telling her that you admire the person that she is becoming, you are impressed by the way that she carries herself as an independent and not a follower, that you respect that she has a good head an her shoulders and a good track record of making logical, value based decisions, or that “She has a wonderful heart and lives the Gospel well” even without warming a pew every Sunday.

    As a parent of teenagers, it can be easy to be critical. Make sure to praise who they are and what they are doing. Hopefully this keeps the communication channel open in case they need to turn to you for help at a later stage.

    Specifically about your church attendance. I do not think that I would have a big talk about it. You can go sometimes and not go at other times. Demonstrate to your daughter that you can skip church if you feel like it and still be a good person … and you can go back to church after a hiatus too.

    Good luck and God bless!

    #337775
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    My general advice would be to focus on what you do believe and put anything in that context.

    #337776
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    It was so interesting that 2 people that have been inactive in there lives got up and bote their testimony about it. One of them had just came back after a year and said she has always believed even if she hasnt gone to church.

    Well maybe i dont believe everything in the church but i still do in some things maybe just in a different way. I dont think this girl has had a faith crisis. Interesting anyways.

    I know a woman who went inactive. I dont talk to her alot but she is one of the kindest people i know. I always felt she was a good example of a member of our church even if she didnt go. I have told my my daughter how i feel about this lady.

    #337779
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    Havefaith wrote:


    I always felt she was a good example of a member of our church even if she didnt go. I have told my my daughter how i feel about this lady.

    That is wonderful. If you have similar opportunities in the future, it might be nice to highlight how much you admire and respect people as general Christians or even just quality human beings full of hope and compassion for their fellows.

    #337780
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    Ok i decided not to go to church today. My daughter was home. It was really quiet in my house. My daughter woke up first and i had a feeling she was wondering why i didnt go to church. After a while she came in my room and asked me why i didnt go. I told here i felt i needed to stay home. She was content but i also told her that a person can be good and not go to church. I also told here I’m going to go to church when i want. And told her i still might at time but it will be when i want to.. she smiled and told her she is a good person and has still chosen to live the word of wisdom and the law of chastity ( I used different word though).. I also told her that if she ever wanted to go to church i would be glad to go with her any time.

    p.s. i also told one of my inactive sisters a few days ago that i havent been going to church all the time and part of the reason why. She understood. I felt accepted by her. The one hard part was i told her not to tell my active mom because i didnt know if she could handle that. Im not sure how that will work out. I guess time will tell.

    Thanks everyone

    #337781
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    Great responses.

    One thing that for sure comes across in your posts is that you are not angry…so I’m sure your daughter and family pick up on that. It is less alarming when you are at peace and doing great things and they see you as “a good person” and maybe they see you are on your journey…open to good things…maybe some day you will see you want more church because you miss it…maybe not…you aren’t set to one thing or another or see it black and white but want to follow your heart and be sincere, not angry.

    And that is a great example to your daughter. Which allows her to decide for herself what she believes…and regardless of what she places her faith it…he knows being a “good” person is what matters most…and can accept you for that.

    Thanks for sharing.

    #337782
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    I honestly feel that this is a wonderful step forward.

    The church offers a community, a support structure, and a belief system. Why do we feel the need to go to church every week like clockwork even when we do not want to go (except when we are ill)? One reason is that we believe it is part of keeping the sabbath day holy as god commanded. The next part is that it is a very visible part of keeping the sabbath day and others can then use your compliance as a gauge for you righteousness.

    We spend great effort worrying about getting people’s butts in the pews on Sunday, and perhaps not enough effort in loving them and making them feel accepted for who they are. The assumption is that if your butt is in the pew that you are saved and if you choose to stay home then you are not – more or less.

    Havefaith wrote:


    ( I dont want her to think i am not spiritual and for her to think i dont beileve in some of the things i still believe in)


    I think the youth of today are generally turned off by what they see as hypocrisy, judgment, and exclusiveness in our religious systems.

    Havefaith wrote:


    i also told her that a person can be good and not go to church. I also told her I’m going to go to church when i want. And told her i still might at time but it will be when i want to.. she smiled and told her she is a good person and has still chosen to live the word of wisdom and the law of chastity ( I used different word though).. I also told her that if she ever wanted to go to church i would be glad to go with her any time.


    This is great. It does not have to be all or nothing. You can go to church when you feel inspired to go and that is ok. The door is always open to you and your daughter and you would be glad to accompany her if she decides to go. She is a good person and can make good choices in the things she consumes and the relationships she pursues for reasons that are deeper and more personal than who is judging her and what the bishop would say. (incidentally, it would not be the end of the world if she drank some iced tea. The most important parts of the word of wisdom are to avoid alcohol and drug use and I would praise my child for making good choices in those respects.)

    Havefaith wrote:


    i also told one of my inactive sisters a few days ago that i havent been going to church all the time and part of the reason why. She understood. I felt accepted by her. The one hard part was i told her not to tell my active mom because i didnt know if she could handle that.


    I am sorry for this. it sounds like there is some perception from your mom that if you do not go to church every Sunday that your soul and eternal family relationships are in danger. She may even blame herself thinking that she failed to raise you properly. From what you have written you are a very good person wanting to raise your daughter with love and support. You are a good daughter to your mother. You are a good sister to your sister and you are a good mother to your daughter. God looks upon our heart and I believe that you have a heart that is honest and caring. It would be a shame if your mother could not see that and would choose instead to focus on your inconsistent church attendance as some sort of major moral failing. I am sorry that your mother appears to be unable to affirm and validate you for the good person that you are independent of church participation. However, the fact that you are able to provide a measure of that personal affirmation and validation to your daughter is huge and positive in my opinion.

    #337783
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    Thank you Heber13 and Roy for your nice comments. I have been thinking during the week if i am going to go to church or not. I probably wont decide until saturday or sunday morning. My mom can be very empathetic at times with many things and then every once in a while she is the opposite. I think what would be hard for her is that me and her are the active ones in the family. We are the ones that have always made the good choices. I think i mentioned how my sisters all tried drugs and alcohol and my brother too. I think for the most part they all are doing better (not perfect though) So maybe i think that she thinks that i will start making some of those choices too. Maybe i think she doesnt believe a person can make good choices with out the church.

    I dont know for sure. I guess i will keep going forward.

    #337784
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    Havefaith wrote:


    Maybe i think she doesnt believe a person can make good choices with out the church.


    That is actually pretty common. When I first started having my faith crisis my wife worried that I might start drinking and going to bars. That would be very out of character for me to do. She explained, “Everything else is changing, how do I know what will go next.”

    I made some promises to her of some standards that I would keep with or without the church (WoW and LoC) and I have earned her trust.

    Also after the initial phase of my faith crisis, I asked my mother if she had worried about me and the choices I might have made. She responded, “You have a good heart and a smart head on your shoulders. I always knew that you would figure it out.” I think she worried more than she is willing to say. However, it was super meaningful to have my mother’s vote of confidence without the implication that that there was only one correct answer or conclusion for me to come to.

    #337785
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    Roy thank for sharing you experience. It gives me confidence to go forward.

    It was interesting this week that my daughter went to a church activity with her friend who attends the church of a different religion. She has gone there before but it had been a few months. We even prayed over our dinner together the other night. It was kind of hard for me because i dont know if God is the one who accually gave us the food i was praying over. Its one thing to be grateful ( which i find very helpful in my life) but to be grateful that God gave us it is different. It could be Him who gave us our food but im not sure right now.

    I was glad we prayed together anyways. Its not what i was thinking at the time but that experience showed my daughter you can be spiritual with out going to church. I prayed that day because i wanted to even though it was hard.

    I think it will be harder to show my mom i can do that because first she doesnt live with me and second shes an adult who has stronger beliefs ingrained in her. But because of your story Roy that you just shared i have more hope going forward. Thanks again

    #337786
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    I really think talking to my daughter last Sunday was the right thing to do. Im not sure what she is thinking for sure but i really feel with me not going to church last week helped my daughter know that we as people in this world really do have a choice. So this is what happened today. I did decide to go to sacrament meeting. I really felt i was okay to go. So I told my daughter beforehand that i was. She didnt come with me but when i got home she was ready to go somewhere. She had called here friend to go to church with her. Thats. Where she is right now. She hadnt been to church in a while.

    #337787
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    Wonderful! Going to church is worthwhile – and the fact that your daughter CHOSE to go to a church with the support of her friend is a win IMO. :thumbup:

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