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    I recently started EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) therapy with a trained therapist. This was to help me deal with repetitive, ruminating thoughts about negative things that have happened to me over my life. I have had a very hard time letting go of hurtful experiences throughout my entire life. I got sick of them a while ago, and started the therapy, along with other measures.

    Regrettably, after 3 sessions, my insurance changed and it was no longer funded. Being expensive ($95 a session on self-pay), I instead bought a book on how to self-administer and some equipment that my therapist used.

    The therapy basically involves visualizing traumatic, hurtful, disturbing, or anxiety/anger-producing situations while receiving bilateral stimulation to the brain. During bilateral stimulation, the brain tends to gravitate to constructive thinking about the event, without being pushed, and this can lead to dealing with the situation so you can move on. Further, the therapy involves replacing the anxiety with a positive set of thoughts about the formerly traumatic experience after the event is reprocessed constructively.

    The bilateral stimulation can be in the form of left to right eye-movement, pulsars the rotate vibrations from left to right hands, sounds rotating from ear to ear, or a combination thereof. One theory is that it mimics Rapid Eye Movement (REM) sleep where the brain processes the day’s memories. These memories, however, were so traumatic that they were never processed properly. The bilateral stimulation aids with that reprocessing while in a waking state.

    I have had two self-administered sessions so far.

    I want to share what happened in my last session. After I reprocessed the memory of the awful beatings I received as a child, I started working on the constructive, positive belief about myself and the experience. This led to an increasingly powerful feeling of the spirit. The eyes watering, the feeling of fulness and peace in the chest, and the feeling that you are not alone. It was probably the most spiritual experience I’ve had in a while. Not a Road to Damascus experience, or the First Vision, but a highly spiritual experience like I would often feel on my mission when teaching or speaking.

    I just wanted to share this as a source of spirituality. I don’t completely understand why the Lord would choose to pour out what I consider to be the Holy Ghost during this self-administered session, but I’m deeply grateful for it. It proves to me that scripture, prayer, fasting and service aren’t the only ways to have spiritual experiences.

    #339345
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    EMDR is amazing when done correctly and at the right time of preparedness.

    Our brains are extremely complicated, and being able to tap into restorative actions is wonderful.

    #339346
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    I’m glad it has been such a positive experience for you and that you figured out a way to self administer.

    SilentDawning wrote:

    I just wanted to share this as a source of spirituality. I don’t completely understand why the Lord would choose to pour out what I consider to be the Holy Ghost during this self-administered session, but I’m deeply grateful for it. It proves to me that scripture, prayer, fasting and service aren’t the only ways to have spiritual experiences.

    Indeed those are not the only way to experience the spirit. Thanks for sharing.

    #339347
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    I am glad to hear that you are having some success with these treatments.

    I too have felt the spirit and I have interpreted the meaning of those experiences for my life.

    The other day our family was watching a digital fireside. A woman was sharing her story with a testimony and my son said “that doesn’t make sense”. She had made a logical leap that he did not think was warranted. I told him that we all tell ourselves stories to help us make sense of the world and form our identities therein. This is just her story … and it is not polite to point out gaps or flaws in the stories of others. We can take what resonates with our inner voice and leave the rest.

    It sounds to me like this treatment is an opportunity to rewrite (or reprocess) parts of your own story and I am happy for that.

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    SilentDawning,

    Thanks for sharing this. I’ve felt the spirit reading Harry Potter and I’ve felt the spirit while out in nature (before I had kids 😆 ). Truth is truth and I don’t think it matters where it comes from Or how it was stumbled upon.

    #339349
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    Thanks everyone. I wanted to share that I am learning how to do this kind of therapy through books on EMDR self-administration.

    As with all new things we try, my methods are improving. I have integrated journal writing into the sessions as this was suggested in the self-administered EMRD therapy book. I considered writing in my journal as I was experiencing bilateral stimulation in real time. This was because after I would finish a session, I would go to my journal to write out the new perspective on the trauma, and I couldn’t often remember what I’d experienced (fully) during the therapy session.

    However, I know that learning and memory are strengthened with RETRIEVAL of information over time. Therefore, rather than write as I experienced bilateral stimulation, I would go back and re-administer the bilateral stimulation and let the throughts come. This was if I felt any anxiety associated with the traumatic event while trying to write out my reaction to it.

    The odd things about this — IT’S WORK. After my last session, where I was journal writing after each session (as if the journal is the therapist to whom I am reporting what I thought), I felt very drained afterwards. Taking a sauna in past traumatic experiences isn’t for the faint of heart.

    Also, research shows the maximum frequency that has been researched is one session every three days. I have been on that schedule. When I think about doing a session, it feels the way you do when you have some heavy duty yard work to do — not necessarily unpleasant, but something that will take effort. I find it’s much harder without a therapist because you have to be thinking about process — with a therapist, you don’t have to think about that — the therapist tells you what to do and when to do it, and also listens to the results of your desensitization and reprocessing.

    Last time, I didn’t really feel the spirit, but I did, and still do, feel a sense of peace when I think about events that have occurred in the past. The other thing this therapy has done has helped me be more self-aware — particularly when I’m feeling anxiety. I lived my life not knowing that what I was feeling was anxiety — I just felt uncomfortable and acted to get rid of the discomfort, without really knowing that feel was anxiety and that it was driving my thoughts and behavior.

    Very pleased so far with how this is going. I hope, as I reprocess some church stuff that it will make me more at peace with the church. And maybe even more active.

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    Wonderful SD. It sounds like you are being thoughtful, reflective, and deliberate. Those are big steps forward.

    #339351
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    Roy wrote:


    Wonderful SD. It sounds like you are being thoughtful, reflective, and deliberate. Those are big steps forward.

    Thanks Roy — I appreciate how with many of my “dud” topics I can always count on you to make a kind comment that shows you read it. I mean that sincerely.

    Yes, the therapy seems to be working for the short-term. When I think of the memories that I need to desensitize and reprocess, I don’t feel any anxiety or angst about them anymore. They are just things that happened to me that I have “dealt with”. Too bad some people think it’s pseudo-science since they believe you can’t disprove it — the hallmark characteristic of a scientific proposition. But it seems to work, and certain insurance carriers will even pay for it.

    It does take a lot out of you though. Very emotionally draining, but when you come through the other side you feel better. I have noticed that having my thoughts written in my journal really helps because I can go back and remind myself of the positive ways I reprocessed the experience — the journal reminds me of how I now view the traumatic experience. That’s where this flurry of postings about journals came from by the way, the therapy and my renewed commitment to journal writing.

    Some people actually report being thankful for the experiences they once considered traumatic because they have learned something from them after going through the therapy. I would much rather be working with a trained therapist, but alas, I’m too cheap to do otherwise.

    #339352
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    I thought this might be a good place to share something.

    Many of your know that one of the precipitating causes of my less-activity was (in short) a nasty note about my leadership personally distributed to the entire Ward leaders years ago. Rather than leading to censure for the woman who wrote it, a Bishopric member reprimanded me for being too aggressive. This was later fixed with apologies, but only after I sort of demanded a meeting to discuss it.

    Naturally, I didn’t agree with our Bishopric’s handling of the situation, it really affected how I felt as a leader in the church even after our meeting. Taken with other even more negative experiences in the church, it led me to where I stand today with the church. Semi-active, non-tithe-paying, setting boundaries on what the church can extract from me. The result of these outcomes is that I’m happier in the church (after a long period of adjustment) than I was when I was on the TR-holding plan.

    A result of this self-administered EMDR therapy is this. I actually felt grateful for the experience this woman inflicted on me all those years ago. While it was traumatic at the time, it has saved me literally thousands and thousands of dollars in tithing to an organization that in my view, doesn’t need it. It has made retiring at 65 a real possibility, not a pipe dream like it was when most of my retirement savings went to the church throughout most of my life.

    It has saved me countless hours in low-valued-added activities like setting up chairs, visiting people who don’t want to see you, getting rejected. And other things that I find tedious and boring. In its place, I had a few years of sheer enjoyment in community leadership, won some awards, and generally had a positive experience — and an eye-opening one — about service outside the church. My perspective got a lot broader. I don’t feel ashamed of who I am in the church either. I have found my own way.

    And while I’d rather I didn’t have that experience a long time ago, I can’t deny the benefits to me personally in opening a new path that in many ways, is better than the one I followed in the church previously. This would seem like a convoluted argument if this site was full of Traditional Believers, but I think if you are a StayLDSer, you probably get what I mean.

    I’m thinking this EMDR therapy is highly effective with me personally. I recommend it if you experience a lot of “disturbance” from past experiences of which you can’t let go. You can try it if you feel you can reflect on past traumatic/anxiety/disturbing experiences, and not have it cause you damaging emotional distress. This is if you experience a lot of “disturbance” from past experiences of which you simply can’t let go.

    Here is a link to the equipment I use and the book I used to guide me. I had the benefit of three live sessions with a therapist to also guide me. However, I feel my own self-administered therapy is deeper and more internalizing to me than a therapist administered one. I also think the book added to my understanding, creating a richer experience than I had with the therapist.

    https://neurotekcorp.com/tactile-and-auditory-emdr/

    https://www.amazon.com/Self-Administered-EMDR-Therapy-Freedom-Depression-ebook/dp/B00G239MV2/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=self-administered+EMDR+therapy&qid=1589168554&sr=8-2

    This combination also proved cost effective. With shipping, the cost of the low end equipment was $179 after shipping and taxes, and the book was free with my $10 a month Kindle Unlimited subscription. Not sure what your cost would be for the book, but it wouldn’t be significant. And the cost of a therapist was $90 a visit due to it not being covered by insurance in the new year 2020. It means you get your investment back in about 2 self-administered sessions, which is a fast payback period. Plus there is no driving or appointment-making to worry about.

    I recommend this form of therapy quite highly.

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