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June 18, 2020 at 12:54 am #212918
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GuestI typically don’t think about the Ensign very much but I heard buzz about the upcoming so I decided to check it out. It does create some potential rough spots for people trying to navigate a faith crisis with believing family and friends.July 2020 Ensign by Quentin L. CookChurch History: A Source of Strength and InspirationQuote:Church history can be a significant source of faith, but for some people, it has been misunderstood or overlooked. Some people have even purposely misrepresented stories of the past to sow doubt.
…and sow faith.
by Travis EwellWhen I Felt Deceived about the Church by Chakell WardleighDo You Have Questions about the Gospel? Here Are Five Ways to Find Answers by Merrilee Browne BoyackWhen Loved Ones Leave the Church by Bouke “Bob” S. Ecoma VerstegeI Experience Same-Sex Attraction—Would Church Members Welcome Me Back?What Church Leaders Are Saying about When Loved Ones Turn Away from the ChurchHow Do I Talk to My Kids about Family Members with Different Beliefs?Sorry, I don’t have many thoughts on these articles right now, I just thought I’d get them out there.
June 19, 2020 at 12:28 am #339687Anonymous
GuestWow. That is a large concentration of articles on similar topics. In general, I wish there was an example where someone left the church but remained a good and spiritual person and retained a close relationship with Jesus as their Savior. It would be nice if a parent could say, “My kid is walking his own path outside of the LDS church right now but he/she seems to be following the promptings of the spirit to him/her as an individual. I may not understand it fully and it might not look exactly like my own religious path but I do respect the journey and my child’s earnest walk of faith.”
There is an undercurrent in all of these articles that the person with doubts has lost their way, or deviated from the covenant path, or distanced themselves from God and Jesus … but never loose hope that they can repent and come back. That to me seems patronizing – like I am currently going through a phase or a temporary loss of judgement from which I can be rescued. It is a refusal to see my perspective, path, and lived experience as valid.
If someone accepts me for who I am then how will I ever find the motivation to change into what they want me to become.
If someone doesn’t accept me for who I am then they will never know me as they might have known me.
How can we reach a place where we give people the benefit of the doubt? Where we ask people different from us to tell us about their own stories, journeys, and lives and then we believe them?
June 20, 2020 at 9:27 pm #339688Anonymous
GuestI may, may not go through all of these. It’s usually the same talking points from a specific perspective. Church History: A Source of Strength and InspirationRoy wrote:
There is an undercurrent in all of these articles that the person with doubts has lost their way, or deviated from the covenant path, or distanced themselves from God and Jesus … but never loose hope that they can repent and come back.
From the article (emphasis retained from the article):
Quote:In learning
crediblehistory of the Church, … The word credible is italicized. Maybe the implication is that people that reach a different conclusion weren’t going off
crediblehistory? Yes, not everything out there is credible, but just because someone reaches a different conclusion doesn’t automatically mean that they were misled. I think people on both sides of the debate are doing the best they can with information that they believe is credible. It would be unfair to characterize either side as misled. This article was mostly a repeat of the Worldwide Devotional For Young Adults: A Face to Face Event with Elder Quentin L. Cook in Nauvoo on September 9, 2018. At times the article quotes the face to face event directly. You’ll see in the Q&A portion of the article that it quotes Kate Holbrook and Matt Grow, the historians present at the face to face.
June 21, 2020 at 4:09 am #339689Anonymous
GuestFrom my end, I am hoping the Ensign, as slanted as it may be will loosen up some of the tensions that exist in families. I recently stepped in it with my family. My slight opinion, started a watershed of tears, phone calls, texts, etc. We didn’t crash, but I hadn’t realized the fear from the my family’s point of view. Perhaps, if an Ensign is dedicated to this it will melt believers anxiety. Which in turn makes brings potential to better relationships with people like us. Is this the best roll-out. No. That’s largely because the team doing the roll out really hasn’t experienced anything like we have. So band-aids on deep wounds is the best we can get.
But the sheer existence of an Ensign dedicated to this issue says something about the copious blood and tears being spilled in homes, wards, stakes, etc. If a family can move on, still celebrate time together, and remove the judgement from the space, even if just a little, it’s worth it.
June 22, 2020 at 1:36 pm #339690Anonymous
GuestRoy wrote:
It would be nice if a parent could say, “My kid is walking his own path outside of the LDS church right now but he/she seems to be following the promptings of the spirit to him/her as an individual. I may not understand it fully and it might not look exactly like my own religious path but I do respect the journey and my child’s earnest walk of faith.”
My mom does this actually [though technically I am not physically out of the church]. It is disconcerting because she sees me having “the Spirit” with me and being guided – when I don’t. She sees some of my actions as “Christ-like” when I see them as “humane” or “morally acceptable” and i don’t see myself as a Christian. i am learning that thankfully it is just a mater of semantics and not battle lines.
Roy wrote:
There is an undercurrent in all of these articles that the person with doubts has lost their way, or deviated from the covenant path, or distanced themselves from God and Jesus … but never loose hope that they can repent and come back. That to me seems patronizing – like I am currently going through a phase or a temporary loss of judgement from which I can be rescued. It is a refusal to see my perspective, path, and lived experience as valid.
I felt like this a lot with my husband. I thought about it and completed some ethical calculations and decided that it was worth my husband’s piece of mind to think it was temporary and just live my life to the best of my ability. It still feels like patronage – but to a degree I can give up a little pride/self-righteousness to provide a degree of security for my husband while I show him that I can be an ethical person without using the church or Jesus Christ as a compass point. And it shifts – sometimes I cannot give him the degree of security he would like and be true to where I am in my journey. But, 2 Christmases ago he gave me a key chain with the saying, “Not All Who Wander Are Lost” – which has meaning to us that the the best of his ability, he recognizes I have a divergent path and I am not lost – even though technically I am not a Christian.
Roy wrote:
How can we reach a place where we give people the benefit of the doubt? Where we ask people different from us to tell us about their own stories, journeys, and lives and then we believe them?
I am not sure yet – but there are a 1,000 different ways this is applicable in society.
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