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December 9, 2021 at 6:42 pm #213110
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GuestMy sister-in-law’s husband isn’t a member and has been receiving a lot of attention from the busy bodies in their local ward. They’ve brought them pizzas, invited him to play basketball with them, etc…. and he sees them for the shallow attempts that they are to get him to come to church. Because of all this, he now wants to be a part of that ward even less than he did before. I completely understand how he feels because I would feel exactly the same way. Which got me thinking… I don’t understand those are missionary minded. I have a very live and let live attitude about life, which doesn’t seem to go very far in this church. So many people constantly seem to be trying to figure how they can get other people to be doing what they think they should be doing. I can’t remember the last church meeting I went to where someone wasn’t mentioning something related to missionary work. Where does their motivation come from? Why do they do what they do? I don’t get it.
December 9, 2021 at 10:49 pm #341982Anonymous
GuestMe either. I am also live and let live, and I don’t believe everybody needs to be (or should be) a member of the church. It seems that some of the less dogmatic and more sensible GAs also realize this will not happen and that other Christians are OK and we’re on the same team. I think some of the mindset comes from the idea that we must get everybody baptized. I don’t get the rest of it. In my ward we (I should say they because I didn’t participate) did service project after service project for this part member family where the wife/mother/member rarely came and the NM husband almost never came. We did yard work, home repairs and all sort of stuff for free for a guy who had a great job (engineer) and is a healthy 30-something. The last service project was helping them move out of the ward last month. Also last month they baptized a little girl (10 years old I think) from a non-member family who have never been to church but she came with her friend. Grandma, who has custody, came to the baptism, no one else outside church did. One member parent expressed some concern about something (of a sexual nature) the girl had said to her 11 year old son but that fazed nobody. I am indeed a pessimist in some respects and predict we’ll see little of this girl after she hits puberty and/or finds out things the church really believes about the WoW, chastity, etc. (This situation is much more complicated/complex than I’m able to express here.) TLDR is I don’t know either.
December 10, 2021 at 5:12 pm #341983Anonymous
GuestDarkJedi wrote:
Also last month they baptized a little girl (10 years old I think) from a non-member family who have never been to church but she came with her friend. Grandma, who has custody, came to the baptism, no one else outside church did. One member parent expressed some concern about something (of a sexual nature) the girl had said to her 11 year old son but that fazed nobody. I am indeed a pessimist in some respects and predict we’ll see little of this girl after she hits puberty and/or finds out things the church really believes about the WoW, chastity, etc. (This situation is much more complicated/complex than I’m able to express here.)
From how you describe it, I wouldn’t expect longevity from her either. I have a somewhat similar story. Back when I was 18 I brought my friend to our local YSA ward. He came from a NM family, only his grandmother was a member (she had the wisdom not to push him one way or the other). At church, the mission prep teacher got his hooks into my friend and sweet talked him into baptism. This guy came from a sales background and treated missionary opportunities the same way. Long story short, my friend had a shotgun baptism, and when things got a little hard he was gone in less than six months. He now views his membership as little more than just a phase he was going through. Anyone who attempts to get him back is going to be fighting an uphill battle.
I can’t help but wonder if more harm than good is done as a whole with our missionary culture. I know personally I have seen more damage done than successful, true conversions. It doesn’t help that some seem to approach it with an ends-justify-the-means approach, getting as many baptisms as they can in any way they can. But, I am also a pessimist as well as biased when it comes to these things. Perhaps there is a lot of good that comes from this culture. If there is though, I dont see it.
December 13, 2021 at 5:50 pm #341984Anonymous
GuestAt the core, we believe that the only way to achieve lasting (eternal) happiness is through the church. Therefore, sharing the church is a form of caring for others.
I also feel that it carries a certain amount of ego. As if to say, “I care so much about you that I want you to become more like me.”
December 16, 2021 at 1:16 pm #341985Anonymous
GuestIt’s the threefold (maybe fourfold) mission of the church. One of those “folds” is “Share the gospel.” Gospel sharing can be viewed benevolently as the desire to share happiness and good news with others. So it’s a kind of charitable act. It can also be viewed less benevolently as an opportunity for members to “show off” their dedication and parade those stories of their missionary successes to other members. It can be viewed cynically as an opportunity for the Church to get more revenue. I tend to believe that for the individual member, it’s more a combination of the first and second. A good friend of mine told me the story of how she helped her friend get baptized and it was totally from the best and kindests of places. This friend was also very cognizant of the fact that her baptized friend might fall away given some of the Church’s realities. My sister assisted in the conversion of an online friend whose life really did improve as a result of Church membership. This person was quite isolated from any kind of community and the sudden appearance of a readymade community was exactly what she needed. And yet, many, many, many get baptized and never return. I have felt for a long time that our missionary process could use an overhaul. Even while on my mission, I wished we implemented a “conversion” process rather than a “baptism” process. By the time I left my mission, I’m pretty sure the majority of people I helped baptize (I was down in Latin America) were not active anymore. But then if gospel sharing is JUST about saying “here’s the true Church, don’t join at your peril! Okay, we’ve done our part”, well, I guess we’re kind of good at that. Maybe. Anyway, missionary work is the least interesting aspect of the Church as far as I’m concerned. We have some lovely sister missionaries in our area now who are so earnest and kind and hard-working. I would never tell them that I believe that MOST of what they do is probably a waste of time. But I think it is. January 17, 2022 at 2:26 pm #341986Anonymous
GuestI understand the mindset. It is a desire to share joy and happiness with others. That is noble. How we tend to do it is the issue, wrapped up sometimes in unconscious arrogance – especially since our actual theology says church membership in this life is not necessary for exaltation.
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