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    Is it possible to find one thing that you find comfort in, regarding the gospel, and be active in the church?

    The reason I ask is, when I first joined the church, I was excited about everything.

    I liked:

    – going to church.

    – attending & organizing meeting.

    – attending SS & PH.

    – accepting callings.

    – reading scripture.

    – socializing.

    – even paying tithing & going to the temple.

    I liked everything about it. As a result, I thought the gospel had the “answer” to every aspect of my life.

    I never questioned things like:

    – church history.

    – church doctrine (polygamy).

    – church policy or administration.

    (For the most part, I still don’t question. I do wonder why? sometimes.)

    Then my “crisis of faith” came along and everything changed. It didn’t change for the better.

    A number of years of complete inactivity passed by. Then we decided to go back to church & see if anything changed.

    Since we’ve been attending again, we have accepted one calling only. We do a modified “Ministering” assignments.

    We do some socializing but usually one on one not a group or party setting.

    My 2nd question: Is that enough or do I have to be “all in” once more?

    I do notice one significant change and that deals with Jesus Christ.

    He is the focus of my beliefs. Not the church. Not church policy or doctrine. Not Joseph Smith or the current leadership.

    That has removed a lot of the pressure I felt before & during my FC.

    #342368
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    I absolutely LOVE what I see as the pure theology. I find it nowhere else in Christianity, at least to the same extent. It is a big reason I can stay active despite the issues I have with doctrinal extrapolations and cultural aspects that leave me shaking my head and, in too many cases, hurting my heart.

    #342369
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    I ask myself if my church activity is sustainable.

    I answer that it can only be sustainable if the benefits outweigh the costs.

    This has meant that I have had to reduce my inputs and tried to be very minimal in my expected outputs.

    Unfortunately, reducing inputs to the extent that I have makes me seem less active/inactive and I do not love the feeling that I get of being less than.

    One benefit that I see right now is that my son with autism can pass the sacrament. This is a visible service and role that he can perform in the faith community. I feel that this increases my son’s sense of confidence but also his feeling of connectedness. I value this.

    #342370
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    Is it possible to find one thing that you find comfort in, regarding the gospel, and be active in the church?

    Yes, I think so. The rest of my answer goes with the second question.

    Is that enough or do I have to be “all in” once more?

    In my experience I’ve found that people at church want to frame things as all or nothing and will even try to push people in that direction but just because others are framing it that way doesn’t mean that I have to frame it that way.

    I get to determine my level of activity. I event get to determine what “active” means for me. How others at church categorize my level of activity is outside my control, so I don’t worry so much about measuring up to someone else’s standard.

    Taking that approach does create they dynamic that Roy mentions, feeling less than. At times my church community openly labels my participation as deficient but I have to remind myself that I shouldn’t be using someone else’s measuring stick. It’s tough because so much of the church experience feels like being measured.

    #342371
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    For me it has almost been like a loss of innocence while going through my FC.

    The reality for me is, you can’t get the “innocence” back again.

    I probably mentioned this before. When I was all in, I looked at the church &

    the gospel as a “spiritual” insurance policy. When the hard times or bad times come, I

    will receive answers to my prayers or inspiration to endure. None of that happened

    on my timetable. I believe I have received insight though. It has taken a long time.

    Now I’m back & living the gospel according to my own definition.

    If that is wrong, then I look for more insight.

    #342372
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    I think there are a lot of “all or nothing” types in the church, and I think that’s a mistaken stance. I do think the gospel itself, which is really very simple, is pretty much all or nothing but not necessarily all black and white. The church, which is much more complicated, is definitely not all or nothing in my book. But I think you have to take a stance similar to Nibbler’s and not compare yourself to others, not allow others to compare you to an artificial yardstick, and be comfortable in your own skin/beliefs. I think Roy and Old Timer are also good examples of this, as are some others here. I agree with Nibbler, so much of the church seems to feel like being measured, especially against a “worthiness standard” which is an artificial standard. The pure gospel, OT’s pure theology, has no such standards.

    Is it enough? If it’s enough for you, yes. God/Christ don’t really ask much of us.

    #342373
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    DJ, I agree completely. Personally, it is difficult to work through sometimes.

    For me, it takes time & when I feel like I’m in a good place, I revert back to

    the old way of thinking. Then I feel a twinge of guilt.

    #342374
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    Minyan Man wrote:

    He is the focus of my beliefs. Not the church. Not church policy or doctrine. Not Joseph Smith or the current leadership.


    This view has been the result of my FC. My only interest in the church right now is how well it serves the role of helping me be closer to Him. Most Sundays, church’s only contribution towards that is the sacrament. I seldom find the time spent sitting through sacrament meeting talks and Sunday school to be worth it. I also never attend ward activities, have nothing to do with ministering and seldom do my family history calling. So I’m far from being “all in” and take my church participation buffet style.

    This approach puts me in the less-active category in the eyes of the bishopric, but it fills my needs. Though, being a church that completely relies on volunteers, I get why they don’t want everyone being choosy like me. I’m biased, but my answer to the two questions is just take what you find comfort in and leave the rest. Christ’s burden is supposed to be light, and so I take that as justification to turn down whatever aspect of activity you’re not ready to take on yet.

    #342375
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    PazamaManX wrote:


    Though, being a church that completely relies on volunteers, I get why they don’t want everyone being choosy like me.

    How do they know that we are choosy? I too have a Family History calling. I rarely raise my hand in class. I am never

    asked to speak in Sacrament Meeting. I do little socializing. So, how do they know we are choosy? (I have the same feelings

    as you on this issue.)

    #342376
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    PazamaManX wrote:


    Though, being a church that completely relies on volunteers, I get why they don’t want everyone being choosy like me.

    My participation level has been and would be different in a small branch vs. a large ward.

    I’ve found that in small branches it’s easier to know everyone and there’s a greater chance of feeling like part of the group. Beggars also can’t be choosers, people are generally more lenient towards non-conformists. Of course there’s also the negatives like holding down several callings and being asked to give a talk multiple times per year.

    Contrast that with my current ward where there are a lot of people (we need to split our ward IMO). There’s no real sense of belonging, just a face in the crowd. Beggars can be choosers, people are less lenient towards non-conformists because there are so many conformists to divert all the attention to. Maybe it’s harder to “minister” to custom needs when there are too many people, so the approach gravitates towards one size fits all.

    Minyan Man wrote:


    How do they know that we are choosy? I too have a Family History calling. I rarely raise my hand in class. I am never

    asked to speak in Sacrament Meeting. I do little socializing. So, how do they know we are choosy? (I have the same feelings

    as you on this issue.)

    I can’t even get that far. When I go to my ward I wonder whether anyone at all even knows I’m there.

    #342377
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    Minyan Man wrote:

    How do they know that we are choosy? I too have a Family History calling. I rarely raise my hand in class. I am never

    asked to speak in Sacrament Meeting. I do little socializing. So, how do they know we are choosy? (I have the same feelings

    as you on this issue.)

    I guess it just depends on how attentive they are for that sort of thing. My ward’s current leaders seem to have an eagle eye for people they can try to get more active. It’s a smaller ward, so irregulars like me do get more attention.

    nibbler wrote:

    I can’t even get that far. When I go to my ward I wonder whether anyone at all even knows I’m there.

    I wish I went unnoticed. I used to for the most part, but not with our new bishopric the past couple years.

    #342378
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    PazamaManX wrote:


    I wish I went unnoticed. I used to for the most part, but not with our new bishopric the past couple years.

    Ha, yeah. The grass is always greener. I’m sure if I was in a small branch I’d be on here complaining about not being able to hide like I could in a large ward. :angel:

    When the 100th lecture on “covenant path” doesn’t work for you, you’re left trying to salvage a community… only to find that lecturing about the “covenant path” is the community. :(

    #342379
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    I’m in the small (and shrinking) ward crowd so I hear what you’re saying. I haven’t been attending lately but when I was often it was like what PMX said – the highlight was the sacrament and there was little to no worth in the rest of SM or in second hour (there were exceptional Sundays when there were Christ focused uplifiting talks). I guess I can count myself fortunate in that I have stayed under the radar and don’t seem to be anybody’s project, but then again the core of my ward has been here as long or longer than I have (30+ years) and know I don’t take kindly to such things (some have misadventured have gotten a small taste of what the power of the dark side feels like). And I’m still using COVID as an excuse.

    My wife does attend and she’s in the Primary. She is well aware that I loath the meetings where Christ is not the center (and thus loath most of them) but sometimes I get reports of some of the talks. A couple weeks ago a youth spoke and spent 10 minutes on Pokemon. My wife couldn’t see how Pokemon tied into the gospel. They also recently had a talk on the constitution, that old inspired document. Implying it was inspired was as close as it got to God or Christ.

    #342380
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    I like the people in my ward. I appreciate those who ask how I’m doing and how my children are doing. I appreciate those who come up to and say I did a good job on a talk or a lesson (even if I didn’t). I like ministering to my assigned family. They’re very good about really and truly contacting me WHEN they need help (there’s some medical issues there and so it does happen about once a month) and also just talking to them about how things are going. I like the hymns. I even like Sunday School and Priesthood (sometimes…depends on instructor). Yeah, there’s some things that are said and that occur that I frankly could do without. I despise Stake meetings as I think they’re a waste of time but I enjoy the conviviality of my ward meetings. I know all wards are not the same (the ward I lived in previously I would most definitely NOT have described as I did my current ward). But I appreciate that there are good people who want to do good things. So I go every Sunday and am not bothered by it. But I also respect those who choose a different way. So this is just me.

    #342381
    Anonymous
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    We have an incredible, caring, servant Bishop – and that rubs off on the ward. We are seeing regular baptisms of diverse people.

    It is inspiring when the Gospel is the center of the focus and it works.

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