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    I have often wondered if the availability of StayLDS, and self-help discussion forums in general, provide a viable alternative to journal writing.

    I have used StayLDS to deal with my church issues one at a time for years now. Like higher education, writing out thoughts crystallizes meaning and creates deeper thought processing than mere stream of consciousness thinking. Unlike a journal, you get interactive commentary on your problem, additional perspectives, and the sense that others care about your plight. You don’t get that with writing in a journal.

    Sure, there are things that are only suitable for a journal. I learned early in my StayLDS days that there was a limit to the extent board members would consider the SAME ISSUES, described OVER AND OVER AGAIN. In a journal you can be obsessive like that, and not be a burden on others. And there are things that even I am not likely to share in a public forum like StayLDS, so the journal serves a purpose that a public discussion forum can’t.

    But what do you think? Do you think that posting on public discussion forums provides a viable alternative to journal writing on issues that are suitable for a public forum?

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    I’ve only kept a journal sporadically and only on the insistence from people at church that everyone keep one. If not for that counsel I wouldn’t have kept one at all. I think the last time I wrote in one was during my mission and decades later I haven’t gone back and read anything from them. Perhaps it’s time.

    I think I’d be embarrassed by what I found, mostly because I’d feel that the person I read in those pages no longer exists.

    It can be cathartic to get thoughts, feelings, and ideas written out. Writing is a more deliberate act than speaking, it (sometimes) forces you to think about what you truly feel so you can better express thought.

    #342717
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    Journal writing is something GAs don’t talk about any more. I think there could be several reasons for that, including their own lack of commitment to doing so (Kimball seemed to be into it). I think it was one of those things presented as part of “the gospel” (like prepping) that really isn’t and has no doctrinal foundation. God/Christ never commanded us to keep journals and it is not a sin not to do so. I think journals/diaries are fine for those who have that desire which seems to be a very small number of people. In answer to the question, I suppose if you are one who has that desire then online forums (or blogs) could be an appropriate outlet.

    #342718
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    I think one big difference is that you do not get to keep what is written on StayLDS. It is here and accessible for now but not likely something that you could pull out to read to your grandkids etc.

    #342719
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    Roy wrote:


    I think one big difference is that you do not get to keep what is written on StayLDS. It is here and accessible for now but not likely something that you could pull out to read to your grandkids etc.

    You also don’t know if StayLDS will be here when you are ready to extract your posts from it. I would like to think it’s here indefinitely, but who knows…I was once on a discussion forum for smooth jazz super fans called magicisland.com, and now it’s gone. It imploded due to allowing discussion about political topics, so people got angry with each other and left. Eventually they shut it down — presumably due to inactivity.

    I think that’s the downside of any electronic communication. It’s more temporary than hard copy paper. I have lost years of journal information due to viruses and computer problems, and admittedly, not being disciplined enough in my backups. Sometimes I have lost things just due to manipulating the files by accident. Plus if calamity strikes, will anyone think to archive your electronic thoughts?

    You are right — the postings are scattered all over the place here. You could search on your username, though, and sift through posts of interest.

    Interesting, I was searching on a topic of interest yesterday, to see if we had already discussed it here. Much to my surprise, we had discussed it, and I was the author of the starting topic! So, you forget over the years….to the point you might not even know what to search upon.

    However, one thing I have done that provides a happy medium is to cut and paste discussions of interest into my journal. I have done that a number of times. Sometimes it’s the post made by someone else only, and sometimes it’s a discussion. I think you can get the immediate benefits of journal writing at the moment — as you react to the most recent postings, but for really memorable posts, cut and paste them into your journal.

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    I’ve tried to take up the practice of journaling on numerous occasions. With the exception of my mission, I’ve never kept up with it for more than a few days.

    One benefit did come from my mission journal. My wife read it and has a much greater understanding of the horrible experience it was for me. Of course, I had told her all about it before, but there was stuff in there that had slipped my mind.

    StayLDS (or any online forum) being used as journal wouldn’t have been a great place to put down personal thoughts and experiences like that in such detail. Plus, as has been mentioned, online forums are impermanent. So a personal journal has its place. But, I do like StayLDS as a place to put out thoughts and see what thoughts others have.

    nibbler wrote:


    I think I’d be embarrassed by what I found, mostly because I’d feel that the person I read in those pages no longer exists.

    This is exactly why I don’t go back and read my journals. Every time I do, I cringe at my past self.

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    PazamaManX wrote:


    StayLDS (or any online forum) being used as journal wouldn’t have been a great place to put down personal thoughts and experiences like that in such detail.

    One thing to consider when posting on discussion forums is how interested the other members of the site will be in your post. It’s a bit embarrassing to post something and have no one answer (except in the Media and Book Reviews section). Thank goodness for some of the members on this site who make a point of responding to lone posts. I appreciate that 🙂

    #342722
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    I can’t do consistent traditional journaling – but I can write here and in a blog and on social media about my life and ideas. I think it all depends on what each person wants to share and/or leave as a legacy.

    #342723
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    Old-Timer wrote:


    I can’t do consistent traditional journaling – but I can write here and in a blog and on social media about my life and ideas. I think it all depends on what each person wants to share and/or leave as a legacy.


    OT makes a good point. I do come here to get my thoughts out – so that makes it similar to journal writing. I also come here for validation and to not feel alone in the struggle. Those last two are things that journal writing would not give me.

    #342724
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    I think validation is important. You can count on contrapuntal thinking when you come here after being bombarded by traditional LDS thinking. That is what drew me in 10 years ago (yes, it’s been that long). I was having trouble feeling positive about local leaders who didn’t care one hoot about releasing me in my time of need, and when they did, I felt deflated that the previous 3 years of my work as HPGL ended in a shambles. There was compassion and empathy here that I knew I wouldn’t find on other more traditional sites. That was very important to me back then, and still is.

    I guess I’d feel pretty alone if it wasn’t for StayLDS. Just knowing its here is a source of comfort during these hard times.

    There are times when I wish so much of our lives weren’t tied up in the LDS religion — my marriage is kind of based on it, my kids are in it (at least, one is), and its always hanging out there. I never know if a knock on the door is from a priesthood leader looking to “get someone out”.

    #342725
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    SilentDawning wrote:


    I guess I’d feel pretty alone if it wasn’t for StayLDS. Just knowing its here is a source of comfort during these hard times.

    Thank heavens for the internet bringing communities (and we StayLDSers are a community) together in ways that were not possible before.

    #342726
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    The greatest gift this site has given me is “freedom from being ambushed”.

    I was able to react from a place of information and values instead of chaotic self-defense and hurt.

    Also, there are a ton of “hidden curriculum” social rules I had no idea about before learning about them on this site – and I needed to know about them.

    To be fair, it’s a lot like how I learned how to talk on the phone. I have always HATED phones and talking on the phone. I actually traded my mom extra chores for her to make the phone calls in my stead that I needed to make. I finally managed to figure it out in my mid-20’s ( a long time ago), and “came to my own” about 3 years ago.

    Here’s what I needed:

    – To enter the phone number in my cell phone.

    – To write out a script (greeting/purpose/specifics/closing) – complete with all probable scenarios.

    – Procrastinate phone call for days.

    – Complete phone call.

    My mom worked as telephone operator for a few years before marrying my father. To her, this was all rather elaborate and unnecessary. To her, you just made the phone call. We never sat down and made this process, she never acted as a body-double to teach me the art of phone calls. She was (and is) one of my biggest fans – so had we known what I needed to do to gain this skill – had I been able to tell her, had she been able to pinpoint the initial problem – things could have been different.

    In terms of a faith transition, this site helped me break down the root problem and provided examples of what “scripts” some important conversations should contain. I also had a place to “report back” on how it went and what I did in a supportive way.

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