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April 7, 2023 at 2:06 am #213269
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GuestApril 7, 2023 at 10:28 pm #343785Anonymous
GuestGood wishes upon him and his family. I do not know enough to know what outcome would be the best (life and its vicissitudes or a peaceful death) but I hope that Elder Holland and his loved ones are supported during this time.
April 8, 2023 at 11:20 am #343786Anonymous
GuestThe article indicates that the suspension of church duties may be temporary (at least two months). Dialysis is rarely temporary and usually is the result of chronic or end stage kidney disease. It is possible he could do some church duties while undergoing dialysis but it would definitely be limited duties. The church appears to be able to function with fewer than 12 apostles at full capacity and has done so frequently in the past. My wife had commented last conference that she thought Elder Holland was not looking well and that she thought there was something going on with his health. She is a nurse and a big fan of Elder Holland (he was president of BYU when she was a student). He is lower on my list of 12 favorite living apostles than some others but as someone who is beginning to recognize the effects of age in myself I wish no one ill. He is certainly not my enemy, and we all have our faults. He has done good and likely will continue to do so for whatever time he has left.
April 10, 2023 at 12:17 am #343787Anonymous
GuestAgreed. Elder JRH is not my favorite apostle either but neither is he my least favorite. Elder Oaks is my least favorite but even there, I have hope that he could mellow out on his particular hobby horse if he ever became prophet. It would not be the first time. April 11, 2023 at 11:21 pm #343788Anonymous
GuestI have heard many say that they have a personal relationship with Christ – I honestly do not know what that means. I have had a personal relationship with a few general authorities. This means to me that if I should call them on the phone or come across them somewhere, they will know who I am – no introduction is needed. Unfortunately, there are currently no active GA that I know personally. There are a couple of current active GA that think they know me, but it is really my brother. As a side note here – Jesus said that in as much as we treat the least of his brethren – we are recognized by him. I do not think the GA are the least of his brethren. It is quite difficult for me to have a favorite GA’s (including the Sister GA’s) though some I have know better than others. All my experiences of those I have known and how those I have known have spoken of others; there is little to doubt or fault to find – I believe it is a privilege to belong to an organization with the caliber leaders we have. Nevertheless, we all have faults and we all will at some point pass beyond this mortal realm. Seldom, for those that live long will they pass with all the dignity of how they lived – even though some would like to think so.
Not too long ago one of my mission presidents died as an inactive (emeritus) GA. We did not get along very well during my mission but became quite close later. The reason we did not get along was mostly my fault but also a misunderstanding of communications. With rare exception I have found the Saints of the restoration quite exceptional in our generation. As a scientist, I am rather outside of most Saint’s circle of doctrine that is espoused. If GA and other Church leaders can view me as their friend though I think somewhat differently – I must respect their kindness and realize that very few leaders mingle well with common folk like me that sometimes think differently.
April 12, 2023 at 10:28 am #343789Anonymous
GuestWatcher wrote:
It is quite difficult for me to have a favorite GA’s (including the Sister GA’s)….Just to be clear, I did phrase this as “my list of 12 favorite living apostles” (in another thread when talking about RMN I used 15 to include the FP). While I definitely do have a favorite or two (it’s no secret I’m an Uchtdorfite) and I certainly have a least favorite or two (again no secret I dislike Bednar), they are all doing their jobs and I believe they are doing the best they can just like the rest of them. I do not mean to indicate that any of them are poodoo or bantha fodder (even Bednar has his redeeming qualities and I don’t necessarily agree with every word out of Uchtdorf’s mouth). They all deserve some respect for their station, and again, they’re all trying to do what they think is right just like most of the rest of us. I strongly dislike “prophet worship” (there was a fair amount of that demonstrated – particularly by Seventies – last GC) even to the point that I think standing when the president enters the room is inappropriate.
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