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May 21, 2023 at 4:56 pm #213282
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GuestI’ve been thinking lately about my current relationship with the church and whether I actually want to “StayLDS”. I have not attended church in many months, no longer consider myself to be religious at all, and honestly I don’t anticipate ever coming back to any sort of belief in the religious teachings of the LDS church. In addition, I recently started dating a nonmember and one topic that has come up is the question of whether or not I am still Mormon. Many members of my family are still LDS (though with varying levels of belief and activity), so I obviously still have some connection to the church. And officially I am still a member in church records. I have a lot of the same values as before, which means in many ways I still act Mormon. But I don’t give the church ownership over those values anymore and hold my personal values as my own, regardless of how they may have been influenced by my time in the church. I still follow a lot of Mormon content in the news, but I wonder sometimes if keeping up with it lately has become a bit of an unhealthy obsession. The SEC fine, 60 minutes interview, and other controversies in the church-related news sphere lately don’t actually have any impact in my daily life.
What does it mean for me to “StayLDS”? Does it mean to participate in church, believe in at least some of the doctrines, and self-identify as “LDS” when asked about my religion? If so, I just don’t think that is possible for me at this point. Or am I still LDS by virtue of still being myself-with my values, upbringing, and experiences all heavily influenced by the LDS tradition? And does “StayLDS” in that case just mean not abandoning the good parts of my LDS experience?
The other question is why. Is there any benefit to consciously trying to “StayLDS” now, or should I just move on? I know many people stay in the church because of spouses or children. But in my case there isn’t anything really tying me to the church. And increasingly I feel that the church just doesn’t have a whole lot to offer for someone in my position. I will probably never completely leave the church behind because many of my family members, friends, and even some coworkers are still LDS. But I wonder if it is actually worth the effort to actively try and remain part of the tribe, or if it’s time to just leave it be and go my own direction in life.
May 21, 2023 at 5:21 pm #343910Anonymous
GuestAt a minimum I think staying lds means NOT having your name removed. Have great faith in your ability to be wrong in your current beliefs about the Church and in the power of God to surprise you with revelation — or your own Road To Damascus experience like Paul the Apostle had. I know that seems remote right now but it could happen. You never know what life holds so don’t make it harder to come back some day by having your name removed. As far as how to navigate being a Mormon amidst reduced belief goes, it’s really up to you since you have no ties to the church such as a spouse or children.
If your experience is anything like mine, after the bubble bursts it’s hard to be fully active again. The sacrifices don’t seem worth it and it’s hard to accept most callings, particularly if they involve teaching. I think it’s good you still want to live the values though, and that you consider them your own, although influenced by your Mormon upbringing.
I guess there is a continuum of involvement…from cold turkey at one end to regular attendance at the other. Where you are on that continuum really is up to you. One litmus test of where you belong is how you feel when you consider different spots on the continuum. For example, when I think of regular activity and a calling my heart says “No”…there is no way my current belief system will allow that. You may have your own threshold indicated by your own litmus test of “feeling”.
You might also want to check the artificial intelligence response I found to a question like the one you posed. It’s at this link below:
May 25, 2023 at 5:27 pm #343911Anonymous
GuestAs a support group, I think StayLDs means to not make rash or permanent decisions in your time of crisis. I relate much of my faith crisis to my time mourning the still birth of our daughter Emory. It is generally advised after the death of a child to not rush into life altering decisions like changing jobs, moving, divorce etc. The idea is that you are feeling emotional during the crisis and might be making permanent decisions to try to deal with very strong but also temporary emotions.
Finding out that the LDS church is not quite like you had once been taught and believed with all of your heart is like a death and those that go through this process are in a period of mourning. We say often to not throw the baby out with the bathwater. This means to not throw out the good while you are deconstructing and learning what is going to be useful to you moving forward. Part of the good and useful that you may want to preserve is the relationships that you have with others. These relationships include church and community members but I think that family relationships (both immediate and extended family) are more important still. I do not think that an individual should just go through the motions of the LDS pathway in order to avoid making waves. However, if that person can slow down they can find ways to navigate with integrity and also be respectful of others that are important to them. That often means to have humility for what we do not yet know and keeping the door open to new learning in the future.
For me, that is the point.
I do not think it means to StayLDS as an active member in good standing perpetually. I believe that there are many people who no longer participate in the LDS church but that have been nonetheless successful in the mission of StayLDS.
May 27, 2023 at 9:49 pm #343912Anonymous
GuestSilentDawning wrote:
At a minimum I think staying lds means NOT having your name removed. Have great faith in your ability to be wrong in your current beliefs about the Church and in the power of God to surprise you with revelation — or your own Road To Damascus experience like Paul the Apostle had. I know that seems remote right now but it could happen. You never know what life holds so don’t make it harder to come back some day by having your name removed.
I’ve thought about it mainly as an option for closure if I feel the need to mark a cutoff point to leave behind some of my past trauma. But for now I don’t think there’s much reason to go that far. If in the future the church starts sending people to my home to try and bring me back despite my requests to be left alone I might consider removing my name, but for now nobody’s bothering me.
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I guess there is a continuum of involvement…from cold turkey at one end to regular attendance at the other. Where you are on that continuum really is up to you. One litmus test of where you belong is how you feel when you consider different spots on the continuum. For example, when I think of regular activity and a calling my heart says “No”…there is no way my current belief system will allow that. You may have your own threshold indicated by your own litmus test of “feeling”.
For me, church attendance seems to be where I draw the line. I’m fine hanging out with church members socially, but when they get into the religious aspects, I start feeling like it’s just not the place for me.
May 27, 2023 at 9:58 pm #343913Anonymous
GuestRoy wrote:
As a support group, I think StayLDs means to not make rash or permanent decisions in your time of crisis.I relate much of my faith crisis to my time mourning the still birth of our daughter Emory. It is generally advised after the death of a child to not rush into life altering decisions like changing jobs, moving, divorce etc. The idea is that you are feeling emotional during the crisis and might be making permanent decisions to try to deal with very strong but also temporary emotions.
Finding out that the LDS church is not quite like you had once been taught and believed with all of your heart is like a death and those that go through this process are in a period of mourning. We say often to not throw the baby out with the bathwater. This means to not throw out the good while you are deconstructing and learning what is going to be useful to you moving forward. Part of the good and useful that you may want to preserve is the relationships that you have with others. These relationships include church and community members but I think that family relationships (both immediate and extended family) are more important still. I do not think that an individual should just go through the motions of the LDS pathway in order to avoid making waves. However, if that person can slow down they can find ways to navigate with integrity and also be respectful of others that are important to them. That often means to have humility for what we do not yet know and keeping the door open to new learning in the future.
For me, that is the point.
I do not think it means to StayLDS as an active member in good standing perpetually. I believe that there are many people who no longer participate in the LDS church but that have been nonetheless successful in the mission of StayLDS.
I think I would consider my crisis period to be over at this point. I feel like I’ve landed outside the church, but have managed to make it a relatively soft landing. My relationship with my family is still pretty much intact and I was able to fade out my church activity without too much drama or conflict. My main problem for several years was navigating being a student at BYU during my faith crisis and I successfully managed to make things work long enough to graduate and get my degree.
At this point in my life, I just feel like there is no longer much for the church to offer me. That may change in the future, but for now I don’t see much value in continuing to participate actively in the church.
May 29, 2023 at 1:35 am #343914Anonymous
GuestArrakeen wrote:
I think I would consider my crisis period to be over at this point. I feel like I’ve landed outside the church, but have managed to make it a relatively soft landing. My relationship with my family is still pretty much intact and I was able to fade out my church activity without too much drama or conflict. My main problem for several years was navigating being a student at BYU during my faith crisis and I successfully managed to make things work long enough to graduate and get my degree.
It sounds like you have been quite successful in the goals of StayLDS. You are past the crisis point and you have reached a sustainable equilibrium without burning bridges or sacrificing relationships. That’s wonderful!
June 1, 2023 at 3:08 pm #343915Anonymous
GuestRoy wrote:
Arrakeen wrote:
I think I would consider my crisis period to be over at this point. I feel like I’ve landed outside the church, but have managed to make it a relatively soft landing. My relationship with my family is still pretty much intact and I was able to fade out my church activity without too much drama or conflict. My main problem for several years was navigating being a student at BYU during my faith crisis and I successfully managed to make things work long enough to graduate and get my degree.
It sounds like you have been quite successful in the goals of StayLDS. You are past the crisis point and you have reached a sustainable equilibrium without burning bridges or sacrificing relationships. That’s wonderful!
I agree with Roy. This may sound like somewhat of a copout but I think what it means to StayLDS is different for everyone, but in the end it’s maintaining the relationship with the church that we each individually want – and sometimes that relationship means no relationship.
July 7, 2023 at 3:06 pm #343916Anonymous
GuestI think it means different things at different points. 1.
The “Stabilizing Point” that has been talked about so much already is an important point.A Faith Transition stabilizes a lot easier with validation (or at least being taken seriously about the meaning of your experience) and some “what not to do’s” while in the middle of it. It can be the spiritual equivalent of a “natural disaster” and wreak havoc on your life for a while just like a hurricane or a tornado would. And eventually, you get to the point in the cleanup of “counting silverware” – it’s not really a “big deal” to have silverware in a drawer, but it is a “big deal” because you are running out of plastic, disposable silverware and you like having utensils to eat, and you would like to know the amount of silverware you need, where you can pick it up, and how much it is going to cost you (and/or potentially your insurance company).
And it gets annoying when your friends are going on and on about the wonderful silverware they inherited from their family – how secure and useful and durable it is – and you wind up thinking, “I’m graduating from disposable silverware next week into who knows what I can find (and I am grateful for that upgrade), so stop harping about your wonderful, useful, matching silverware and check out the amazing tools I discovered how to make instead of looking down on me for my cheap stuff”.
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The “Heritage/Identity Point”– Most of the faith transition work I do now is “thoughtful boundaries” that guard what I find most valuable now. Being raised LDS provided with me with a specific worldview and a specific sublanguage. I don’t fit the LDS community, and I don’t fit the non-LDS community well being a hybrid of the 2. I am not really a “bridge” to unify either point – more like I have a path that spans both environments. July 18, 2023 at 11:51 am #343917Anonymous
GuestRoy wrote:
Finding out that the LDS church is not quite like you had once been taught and believed with all of your heart is like a death and those that go through this process are in a period of mourning.
So true!Living in an area with a small church community may also magnify the complications. Where I live, it has become impossible to be a member without being in a responsible calling with all the associated requirements to lead, teach, and testify about an ever-decreasing selection of safe topics (e.g., love, charity, the Atonement).
There is no place to hide. In one of our units, the branch president is on loan from another ward. Another ward has no bishop (he moved away). There is no one to call in his place, so the stake presidency is waiting for their request to change it to a branch so they can call pretty much anyone as branch president (even one of the full-time missionaries).
In my area, people who feel they need time to recover find themselves actively having to separate themselves, else they become the next project for the bishop to call to repentance, or they are strong-armed into a calling that only makes matters worse.
It’s a tricky situation.
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