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December 29, 2023 at 5:08 am #213347
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GuestNow that Home Teaching and Visiting Teaching are replaced with the Ministry Program, can anyone explain to me what this change is? Time has passed since it was introduced and I still don’t know what it is. I have families assigned to me & no one asks me if I’ve seen
them. There is no PPI’s. There is no mention about it in the Priesthood sessions at church.
I find the whole thing very interesting & very confusing.
We have someone assigned to our family & I talked to him only once (at church).
I’m just curious if my experience is unique or this program is different in the Midwest.
December 29, 2023 at 3:48 pm #344633Anonymous
GuestMy ward treats it like home teaching without a lesson. Ministering has become one of my bishop’s projects. Every few months, he’s up at the pulpit stressing how important it is we do ministering interviews. He uses it as a way to keep tabs on the welfare of the ward. The most interesting way I’ve seen of doing ministering was in a married student ward. Rather than being assigned people to minister to, everyone signed up to be in a “ministering group” of about 6 couples. Each month, they were supposed to all meet together to do something, with each couple hosting about twice a year. Each group also received I think $20 every month from the bishopric that was to cover the costs of activities.
So to answer your question, as far as I can tell, ministering is whatever the ward makes of it.
January 1, 2024 at 12:21 am #344634Anonymous
GuestSomeone correct me if I’m wrong, but this is what I think the Ministry Program is… a) Same as home and visiting teaching with families assigned to companionships, but with a softer visit requirement. You can count a meeting/talk at church, an email, a phone call, or a letter as a visit.
b) Not to imply that visits are counted — instead, whether PPI’s occurred are counted.
c) Young Women can be involved in ministering now when previously they weren’t.
I think the overarching purpose is the same as home and visiting teaching — to serve as a buffer between the Bishop, EQ, and RS President when there are emergencies. The ministering program puts a structure in place where there is someone assigned when there is a service need. It’s also a communication system so the Bishop knows about needs of people in the Ward.
January 1, 2024 at 10:56 pm #344635Anonymous
GuestI agree 100% with SD. In my ward I have quarterly interviews on the subject of my ministering visits. I don’t really do any ministering to my assigned families so there is never really anything to report but I still go to the interview because I’m trying to be helpful.
January 2, 2024 at 4:16 am #344636Anonymous
GuestThanks for your help SilentDawning. That makes a lot of sense. My only problem is: the leadership within our ward & stake don’t communicate as well as you do in your post.
My Ministering companion & I have come up with our own definitions. They include the following:
– any contact with our families is a visit.
– since the leadership doesn’t seem to be interested in what we’re doing, we don’t communicate with the leadership.
– if there is a “major” problem or concern, we will talk to someone in the EQ Presidency or Bishopric. (It would have to be a dramatic problem.)
– until we get further instruction, this is our definition of the “Ministry Program” for us.
Wards and Stakes can come up with their own definitions regarding what the Ministry Program is.
Or, they can come up with nothing. Or, they can leave it up to the members to define what it is.
It really seems strange to me. The church is an organization that is usually very highly structured & all programs highly organized.
Now, they seems to be going in a completely different & relaxed direction. Will it continue to go in this relaxed direction?
January 2, 2024 at 7:33 am #344637Anonymous
GuestMy assumption is the relaxed, get away from checklists and define it yourself program is Salt Lake’s attempt at keeping a uniform program, while having something adaptable to accommodate a wide array of needs across the world. Not everyone needs a lesson out of the Ensign every month. But someone may need their lawn mowed or to get a ride to church. Or someone just saying, “Hi, how are you?” I’d like to see a relaxed approach taken for more things. Focusing on checklists and do’s and don’ts is a good way to miss the forest for the trees.
January 2, 2024 at 3:25 pm #344638Anonymous
GuestI think ministering is an attempt to actualize what home/visiting teaching was meant to be. Unfortunately due to church culture of the time, HT/VT became a checklist of completing a visit and giving a message while rarely assessing the needs (physically and spiritually) of the individuals and families. I was never a “great” home teacher and I also rarely felt my home teacher actually cared about me or my family. I think removing the checklist aspect is an attempt to help people recognize that the program was always supposed to be about caring for/loving our neighbors. I think it’s successful in that it’s better than it was, but I think the implementation, especially locally (with some great variation locally) has been less than successful and I don’t really hear the top leadership trying to correct course. January 2, 2024 at 3:51 pm #344639Anonymous
GuestI my area the ministering program was initially HT/VT lite. I’m still not 100% convinced that we’ve paired the language used to describe ministering with the practice. I think it’s meant to discover people’s actual needs and to help them meet those needs. The program is kind of the same as it was before though, at least in my experience, where we assume what people’s needs are (or project them onto them) and then minister to that instead.
Example:
I need a friend.
Ministers show up and they’re primarily concerned with how my family is doing with prayers, reading the BoM, attending the temple, etc.
Those aren’t my needs. I needed a friend.
But that’s what the ministering program is on autopilot to do. People need to be doing the reading, praying, temple thing so we’ll urge them along that path but the language we use to talk about ministering truly is discover people’s actual need, and help them meet those needs.
That’s all theory. In practice I found that with HT/VT that we’d sometimes get visits and sometimes do them. There was that monthly guilt to contend with and that drove a lot of the visiting effort. The ministering program removed some of that guilt, some of the driving force behind the visits went away, so the visits declined significantly.
Everyone is unique, I’m an 11 out of 10 on the introvert scale. For me not having to receive a visit or not having to do visits
isministering to my needs. I read an estimate that between 25-40% of people are introverts. Introverts probably want to avoid visits and assigned relationships. When 25-40% of your group would prefer not to visit or have assigned relationships it’s going to be hard to make a program work when it has to include everyone.
Some people need visits as a part of their ministry, others do not. I guess it’s too hard to survey ward members to ask people if they prefer visits or no visits and then group all the visit people together to do visits within their group.
When real needs arise we could do what other churches do, phone networks to get the word out, but it’s not a monthly or quarterly manufactured thing.
February 1, 2024 at 2:00 pm #344640Anonymous
GuestI needed “ministering to” [husband with chronic health issues, 1 ASD/ADHD teenager, 1 ADHD probable ASD 7 year old AND I’ve got my own probable letter code to work with]. It wasn’t so much the “logistics” of appointments/meals/concrete acts of service situation, as a “hear me out” and “accept us – especially at least 2 agnostics” situation. - I need people in my life who I can talk their ear off a little while the kids play (or don’t play) at the park – in between periods of emotional dis-regulation.
- I need people to walk with to discuss random things – including the last test result from one of the family members.
- I need people who don’t bat an eye that I have a blunt, loud-sh conversation on the “merits of being a pigeon instead of a human” as a bona fide impromptu debate topic (in case you were wondering, pigeons are a preferred species because they can commit criminal (or civic) acts against humans without being arrested, get to fly around everywhere, and look down on humans).
I have started forming a relationship with our Relief Society president. She is very organized (runs an inn professionally), slow to judge and react in a situation. She is a divorcee, with post-heartbreak related wisdom (yes it’s there, no I can’t explain how I know it’s there). Neither of us generally the type of person we would gravitate towards in terms of friendships. But she and our RS 1st counselor (whom is a true friend whom I have known for a while), have met up 2x in the last 3 months or so “to visit”. They bring cookies for the event (and for my kids) “breaking bread” being a form of social bonding and all that. They seem to enjoy peeking into my authentic crazy life.
I am working on diversifying my social network, but I have “found friends” who get themselves signed up as ministers to me who get the credit for doing what they would have done anyways for me as a friend.
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