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    My mind wanders lately. I’m not sure why. This is one question that came up today.

    Have you been in conversation with another member of the church & they admitted that they wish they

    hadn’t gone on a full time mission? I have to admit that there has to be 1 or 2.

    I wouldn’t expect them to stand at the pulpit on F&T Sunday and talk about it. I thought about the sacrifice that the

    Missionaries make:

    – The loss of 2 years worth of income.

    – The delay of a college or trade school education for 2 years.

    – The potential loss of a girlfriend(s).

    – The loss of a family member in death. They couldn’t say goodby.

    – Not to mention various missions that do not have a high success rate.

    In spite of the negatives, I can’t remember one person that I have known who said: my FT missionary experience was not a positive

    experience.

    As a church, we have a tendency to highlight our church experiences & callings in a positive way, to encourage others to follow our path.

    The psychology that the church uses is interesting.

    #344675
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    I served as a sister missionary stateside in the early 00’s.

    I have mixed feelings about the situation. I made some friends and became a better person with some solid emotional/soft skills that I could transfer into gainful employment. I contributed to reactivating my mother as part of the process of getting ready to go on a mission (which is interesting because she has been consistently more “active” since then while I am not).

    I don’t know that I would have had the momentum to do what I needed to do to “leave the nest” without the distance the mission put between myself and my family. I regret going because I functioned like “a 3rd parent” for my siblings – and they have paid for missing that emotional support that I wasn’t there to provide.

    I also deal with cognitive dissonance of “being called by God to go/do specific things” and now being unsure that God exists “to call me to” anything.

    #344676
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    I think the culture of our church makes people hesitant to make such statements if they do feel that way. On forums where people can remain anonymous, I have seen some express regret at going.

    A few conversations I’ve had about missions with guys near my age have been interesting. Once I’ve expressed how poor my mission experience was, they usually open up more about how they really feel. Though, the most I’ve heard someone say is that if given the choice, he “wouldn’t do it again”. The guy who said that felt that way because he said that the mission was a hard experience and that he didn’t feel like it was worth it. I’m sure he isn’t the only one out there who feels that way.

    Personally, I can definitely say my mission was one of the worst experiences of my life. But do I regret it?

    My life would probably be different, and better off had I not gone. I had a job offer doing what I would have loved right out of high school and had college plans. My mission made me forgo those plans and damaged my emotional capability to pursue them again once I had returned. So in that regard, I wish I hadn’t gone.

    But, my awful experience did break me out of my orthodox mindset and allowed me to begin looking at the culture of the church more critically, which has led me to where I am now much better off spiritually. So in that regard, I can find some gratitude for my bad experience and wouldn’t say I regret it.

    #344677
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    I have known and spoken with hundreds of people who served missions.

    They range all over the spectrum in their feelings about it – from amazing to okay to bad to worst Church experience ever. I know some whose missions drove them away from the Church and others who still look back at it as the spiritual pinnacle of their lives.

    I really like the new focus on trying to normalize non-teaching missions as an equal option for those who will or do struggle on teaching missions – with no hint of them being “lesser” in any way. The culture is fighting that change, but I love that the top leadership fully supports that change.

    I hope it keeps going and ends in the same understanding for those who don’t want to serve a mission at all. I think we will get there, but it probably will take a while.

    #344678
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    I was a convert who served a mission after military service so I was on the “older” side (but I was not the oldest in my mission at the time). While I did have some misgivings going in (far away foreign land and aging parents with whom I’d have limited contact) I thought it was the right thing at the time. I did consider the delay in college, career and marriage as well, and I blew through all the savings I had (at that time there was no set monthly amount – it depended on where you were called and how you spent your money).

    I think we all have 20/20 hindsight, and I am decades down the road from the experience. I will say that I believe the seeds of my faith crisis were planted on my mission, and the beginnings of the crisis itself did begin shortly after my mission. From that point of view, giving people hours of time to study each day is bound to bring up questions if you’re actually studying.

    In hindsight, if I had it to do over again I would not serve a mission and I have no desire to serve as a senior. At the same time, if I had it to do over again I would not join the church. That’s not to say that the church has been a wholly bad experience, it has not. But it has not been wholly good either, and the same can be said for my mission experience. Not looking through the hindsight lens, I do recall being glad it was over when it was over and there’s other evidence supporting that feeling (I was an 18 month missionary and the time changed back to 2 years near the end of my 18 months and I was given the choice to extend but declined).

    As others have said, it really is a mixed bag and each of us being different will have different reactions. I am quite frankly very skeptical of anyone who says beyond a couple years out says that it was the best two years of their life, but in all honesty I have rarely heard that actually said.

    Like OT, I look forward to the time when there is no stigma attached to choosing not to serve a mission. Such was not always the norm and it shouldn’t be the norm.

    #344679
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    Minyan Man wrote:


    As a church, we have a tendency to highlight our church experiences & callings in a positive way, to encourage others to follow our path.

    The psychology that the church uses is interesting.

    That might be a trait of broader human psychology. Most people are going to try to present themselves in a favorable light.

    In the church context, there’s some incentive to speak of missions fondly. Speaking of missions negatively could reduce social capital. That may be why I haven’t heard many active/orthodox Mormons give negative opinions of their mission.

    There’s also the validation angle. Missions require a large sacrifice. If a person that served a mission sees others going out on missions then it can validate that they made the correct decision to serve. If that same person sees more and more people choosing not to serve a missions they may begin to question and consider the “what ifs” if they hadn’t served.

    My mission was pretty tough. There were lots of physical hardships (no electricity, no running water, etc.). I too was glad when it was over.

    I wouldn’t serve a mission again but that’s mostly because I learned the lessons a mission can teach me and I don’t care to repeat them. Looking back, serving a mission was the right thing for me at the right time in my life. No regrets, just lessons learned and character developed, good or bad.

    I don’t regret serving because having served a mission has led me to who I am today. If I hadn’t served, I’d be different, not better or worse, just different.

    #344680
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    I joined the church when I was a senior in college. My wife went to BYU as a Lutheran & joined the church.

    We met after graduating from our respective schools & started our first job. For both of us, we were not in

    a position financially to go on FT missions. We did serve as Stake missionaries, and I served as a 70’s President.

    Both of us consider the opportunity to serve in this way, a great spiritual experience.

    (I don’t think we have Stake missionaries or local 70’s anymore.)

    The both of us made sacrifices to serve this way and don’t regret it.

    For example,

    – I didn’t go on to graduate school. (I got my Bachelor’s later in life.)

    – Without a graduate degree, promotions were limited.

    – With fewer opportunities for promotion, our income levels were lower.

    My overall observation is: the FT missionary experience trumps all other missionary experiences within the church.

    It has been mention before: all missionary service should have the same value IMO.

    There are many Senior opportunities after retirement that would be valuable to the church if more emphasis were paid to this

    group of our membership. I can’t remember the last senior member of our ward that served in this capacity.

    I hope it doesn’t sound like we should serve only if we get positive attention or praise. We should do it because we want to

    serve the Lord & the congregation or country we are called to. I believe all service is equal in the God’s eyes.

    #344681
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    Minyan Man wrote:


    There are many Senior opportunities after retirement that would be valuable to the church if more emphasis were paid to this

    group of our membership.

    I’m starting to hear about more and more meetings targeted at people that are over 40 years old where the goal of the meeting is to sell the idea of serving a mission as a senior couple.

    There’s a lot of cultural pressure to serve a mission as a youth. For young men, the language surrounding missionary service is duty, obligation, responsibility, etc. Kids that don’t serve can end up feeling inferior, like second-class members. I’d hate for that same phenomenon to extend to senior couples if the culture starts to shift to place more and more emphasis on seniors to serve.

    Minyan Man wrote:


    I can’t remember the last senior member of our ward that served in this capacity.

    I’m sure the cost alone makes senior missions a non-starter for many. That’s certainly the case for me. I may be interested in serving a mission with my wife, but many missions are pushing $3,000 per month plus travel expenses. About $75K to serve a two year mission. I hate to say it, but at that cost a senior mission is practically a status symbol.

    I don’t know about church-wide but I’m noticing a relatively new phenomenon in my area. I see more and more local couples walking around church on Sunday with missionary nametags. I’m noticing that these couples are often fulfilling assignments that were considered normal callings just a few years ago.

    That could be a good way to get around the prohibitive price of missions. Serve local. I don’t think we’re quite there yet, but we need to make strides to make all service throughout the church recognized and appreciated equally.

    #344682
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    I’ll echo what’s been said about stigmas regarding missions. Service missions should be held in the same regard as proselyting missions. And no one should be viewed as lesser for not having served at all. That was one thing that added to my own bad experience. I knew how I’d be seen if I came home early on my own. Even with Salt Lake making the call to send me home early, I still received the same treatment that an early returner can expect.

    I’m glad there seems to be improvement and movement in the right direction in how we think of and treat missionaries as well as those who don’t serve. We still have a long way to go though IMO.

    nibbler wrote:

    I’m sure the cost alone makes senior missions a non-starter for many. That’s certainly the case for me. I may be interested in serving a mission with my wife, but many missions are pushing $3,000 per month plus travel expenses. About $75K to serve a two year mission. I hate to say it, but at that cost a senior mission is practically a status symbol.

    I have noticed more pushing for senior missionaries from the church lately. Judging by last GC and some videos the church has put out, it seems to be Rasband’s project.

    I did not know that senior missions cost that much. Honestly, that scares me. That’s costly enough to wipe out many people’s retirement savings, should some couples see this push as a call for them to serve.

    #344683
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    nibbler wrote:


    I’m starting to hear about more and more meetings targeted at people that are over 40 years old where the goal of the meeting is to sell the idea of serving a mission as a senior couple.

    There’s a lot of cultural pressure to serve a mission as a youth. For young men, the language surrounding missionary service is duty, obligation, responsibility, etc. Kids that don’t serve can end up feeling inferior, like second-class members. I’d hate for that same phenomenon to extend to senior couples if the culture starts to shift to place more and more emphasis on seniors to serve.

    We were surprisingly approached by a member of the stake presidency a few months back about planning to serve a future mission. Even though I am retired, my wife is several years away from retirement but it was framed as future planning. The SPC inferred they were doing this with all couples in the soon to retire category and also indicated this was something that was not limited to our stake (IOW, it came from above them). We were very non-committal.

    Minyan Man wrote:


    I can’t remember the last senior member of our ward that served in this capacity.

    Agreed, it has been a while. Looking at our ward it would appear that there are few who would be physically able though. Our bishop could and I would not be at all surprised if he and his wife do at some point. I can’t say I see any others doing so though.

    nibbler wrote:

    I’m sure the cost alone makes senior missions a non-starter for many. That’s certainly the case for me. I may be interested in serving a mission with my wife, but many missions are pushing $3,000 per month plus travel expenses. About $75K to serve a two year mission. I hate to say it, but at that cost a senior mission is practically a status symbol.

    This is a good point and something I hadn’t really considered since I’m not interested anyway. We will have a decent retirement income between our state pensions (we both work/worked for the state), Social Security, and some retirement savings. That would certainly eat into our income.

    nibbler wrote:

    I don’t know about church-wide but I’m noticing a relatively new phenomenon in my area. I see more and more local couples walking around church on Sunday with missionary nametags. I’m noticing that these couples are often fulfilling assignments that were considered normal callings just a few years ago.

    That could be a good way to get around the prohibitive price of missions. Serve local. I don’t think we’re quite there yet, but we need to make strides to make all service throughout the church recognized and appreciated equally.

    Funny you should mention this, I noticed something very similar here. I don’t even know what some of them do. Our recently released SP and his wife are wearing tags now (he’s an executive in a large corporation). I have no idea what their callings are, and on Tools it just says “service missionary.” He is also Gospel Doctrine teacher and she is in YW.

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    DarkJedi wrote:


    I don’t even know what some of them do.

    I only know what a few of them do. One couple teaches the addiction recovery classes. A few years ago that was a calling, not a service mission. Another directed stake music efforts, again that used to be a calling.

    I got curious and found a website that lists some qualifications:

    https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/callings/missionary/church-service/questions” class=”bbcode_url”>https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/callings/missionary/church-service/questions

  • 8 hours per week. Maybe that’s the key distinction between a calling and service mission opportunity. There’s a minimum per week expectation.

  • Must hold active temple recommend.
  • No minor children living at home.
  • Physically, mentally, and emotionally able.
  • Cover their own expenses, including transportation and medical.
  • That appears to be it. After that you just have to look for an opportunity to open up in your stake.

    I used their website to check and the only open opportunities were over 300 miles away. There’s surprisingly not a whole lot out there.

#344685
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I am not sure how common it is. I have heard a few people, mostly on these discussion forums, indicate their mission wasn’t positive. And of course, there are the people who choose to come home before it’s over — they obviously didn’t enjoy the experience.

I have neutral feelings about my mission some 35 years later. My mission president was a kind, effective man, and I have no regrets in knowing him. He gave me experiences for my development; I have good feelings about his leadership and interactions with me. I got to see a psychologist to help me with my self-esteem problems, and that went well. I had many spiritual experiences.

I still have regrets regarding the actions of my stake president on the financial side during the preparation phase. I wanted to go at 21 (I was a convert at 20), and he made me stay home until I paid for most of it even after I got out of debt. He cited debt the stake had incurred to send out other missionaries — some of whom came home early. He was hard-nosed and abrasive about it as if I was asking for a handout when I was simply trying to serve the Lord without spending my early twenties in low-income jobs trying to pay for it like he wanted. That experience, about which I’m sure the regulars here are tired of hearing, laid the foundation for my current disaffection. Although I had periods when I overcame the angst I felt toward my Stake President, those feelings returned when I saw the church being demanding on finances, and tight-fisted with welfare cases when I was HPGL.

The spiritual experiences boosted my testimony, although such spiritual feelings are hard to duplicate as an adult with many worldly cares. Much of those spiritual feelings are weak memories now. I haven’t been to church in over 2 years…

#344686
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I haven’t heard too many people outright say that they regretted their mission, but there have been many who seem to hint at it. They say things like “it was the hardest thing I’ve ever done” or “I’m glad I went, but I would never do it again.” One time in a BYU elders quorum meeting someone said “Let’s be real – the mission kind of sucked.” I think that’s the closest to an open admission I heard from an active member who wasn’t a family member.

Now it’s a different story for family members. Almost everyone in my family who served a mission – with the exception of one cousin – hated the experience. My dad, my uncles, and later myself all had recurring nightmares for years after returning home. My dad had all sorts of horror stories about his mission and never tried to sugarcoat it. I distinctly remember when I was growing up my dad never wanted to watch The Best Two Years movie with us because he was still traumatized. My uncles also had terrible experiences and went through some level of faith crisis because of it. I remember when I got back from my mission I met up for lunch with one of my uncles who was a professor at BYU and I asked him how long it took him to overcome the crisis of faith his mission caused. He told me he wasn’t sure he ever did overcome it. I guess for him the mission was the first time that following the church “path” didn’t work for him – and he has never really viewed the church the same.

As for myself, if you had asked me immediately after returning home I would have said I didn’t regret it. It was terrible, but I did learn a language and learned valuable lessons about standing up for myself and pushing back against authority. However now with hindsight, I would say I definitely regret going.

With the two years I spent on a mission I could have instead done a study abroad like my sister did, which seemed way more fun. Like all the benefits of a mission without the drawbacks. I could have finished school sooner and may have been in a better position to pursue grad school.

The biggest thing for me is seeing the impact the mission had on my mental health. It’s one thing to suffer through two years of hardship, it’s another to return with chronic depression. Being depressed basically robbed me of my college years and I was unable to socialize, make friends, or date for the majority of my time at BYU. Only now when I’ve mostly recovered am I beginning to try to rebuild some sort of social life and I’m realizing how behind I am having missed out on all the things I should have been doing in my early 20s.

#344687
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I am neutral on it. I am glad I kept a journal. I was reading it the other day, and I included a talk I gave in Sacrament meeting that caught the attention of the stake president and the bishop of the Ward in which I was serving. I read it, and well, it was GOOD even by my old, cynical standards.

I had forgotten completely about it, and after I was done reading I was filled with the Spirit.

I am glad I had those experiences when I was a young man. I grew on my mission, and in reading my missionary journals I often have reflected on the fact that when serving a mission, one of the souls you “save” is likely to be your own.

I am still in a quandry about the church, even though I have settled into less activity — on one hand, I am worn out, burned out, tired of the church experience, but on the other hand, I can’t deny the spiritual experiences I had — particularly those as a full time missionary.

Side note — I have a dream every now and then that I was called on another mission when I was in my late twenties and early thirties. I don’t baptize anyone in it, but I get brownie points (internal ones) for serving a second mission as a young man. Strange dream. Freud would have a field day with it.

#344688
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SilentDawning wrote:


…I am glad I kept a journal. I was reading it the other day, and I included a talk I gave in Sacrament meeting that caught the attention of the stake president and the bishop of the Ward in which I was serving. I read it, and well, it was GOOD even by my old, cynical standards.

I had forgotten completely about it, and after I was done reading I was filled with the Spirit.

SD, is there any chance you could post your talk here?

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