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Somehow the theme song to “Man of La Mancha” is running through my head at this point…
Who are the windmills?
Not sure who or what the windmills are — they’re plentiful enough. But I’m pretty sure I know who Don Quixote is…
wayfarer wrote:I don’t mind, cwald, but I think you’re exaggerating over whether it has stirred any interest there. …
That is because you misread my comment. Sure, at MDDB you are scum…worse than even…and just another maggot that will eventually get banned because you have the gall to question those who are extremely loyal to the instutition. At MDDB they question those who question.
But…I was talking about MDB. MDB (mormondiscussion board). At MDB, well, you are one of the few who call BS when the echo chamber gets rolling…and, unlike myself, and most of the others over there…you haven’t been banned yet…so you are getting quoted at this time.
I should also include our own bill reel in that sentence…as one of the few who call BS and has yet to get banned. Wayfarer….Schryver just wrote a lengthy post decrying your middle way comment and explained why you are an anti Christ of the worst kind….backed it up by quoting a lot of BOM, DnC, and modern prophets.
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Again, I understand Midgely’s point of view, so I stay away from him. Of course, it’s easier for me, since I avoid all of those sites completely. I simply don’t need the aggravation. I admire anyone who can continue to comment there and try to make a difference, but I can’t invest the time and energy there that it would take for me to stay unstained internally.
Old-Timer wrote:…Of course, it’s easier for me, since I avoid all of those sites completely.
I simply don’t need the aggravation. I admire anyone who can continue to comment there and try to make a difference, but I can’t invest the time and energy there that it would take for me to stay unstained internally.
Oh wise one…this is one instance where you are absolutely correct. Ray has spoken and the discussion is over…MDDB is of the devil.
MDDB is my bad addiction…my vice…it needs to be listed in the prohibited section of the WOW…abstinence would improve my health immensely.
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wayfarer wrote:DBMormon wrote:Quote:Somehow the theme song to “Man of La Mancha” is running through my head at this point…
Who are the windmills?
Not sure who or what the windmills are — they’re plentiful enough. But I’m pretty sure I know who Don Quixote is…Don Quixote would imagine the windmills were his adversaries and he would fight them
You are correct, DB – but I have to choose my windmills, and those sites just aren’t on my list. I have been told I have a Don Quixote complex by multiple people in my life, and I have done some unique things as a result, but there are some windmills I won’t touch with a forty-foot pole – so I have the energy and will to fight the ones I want to fight. 
It just hit me….. a ward made up of everybody here, would be a lot of fun!!!!! DBMormon wrote:It just hit me….. a ward made up of everybody here, would be a lot of fun!!!!!
and you could be the Bishop! I’m pretty sure that Ray would be HPGL… i will direct the choir. as for cwald…CWALD…..hmmmmm he could be “Home Teaching Coordinator” that should be punishment enough. Recommend reading Don Quixote… perhaps my favorite book, bizarre, but underrated. Okay, it is long. And the windmill bit is early on. A lot of people on this site could probably benefit from it, I think. He is a kind of hidden hero. Looks like an idiot to all, is apparently mad, but at the same time has a better grip on reality than all his critics!
Ignore “Man of La Mancha” though. That was a rotten film and a rotten musical!!! There’s only one decent song in it, and that’s questionable too.
wayfarer wrote:
Not sure who or what the windmills are — they’re plentiful enough. But I’m pretty sure I know who Don Quixote is…I recommend R. H. Blyth’s
Zen in English Literature and Oriental Classicsto you. The Beat Poets saw it as a big guide, and there’s an entire chapter on Don Quixote in there. Even though he’s neither English literature or an Oriental classic. Unfortunately I look more like Sancho Panza (running in on the left) than the Don!
[img]http://www.modernmythmuseum.com/don%20quixote.jpg [/img] Bill. I admire your effort on the new thread you started at MDDB. If I hadn’t been banned in an attempt to solidify the echo chamber, I would have responded. I was surprised that you got such a good response for the first two pages…but…as always…they demonized you, threw you under the bus….I believe the exact quotes were “wolves in sheep clothing” and that “your buddies over at the trailer park.” Common tactics of the apostate mopoligists….attack the character of the individual when they disagree and start to make sense.
These people, extremists TBMs, are in apostasy because they will not listen to their prophets. They will not listen to their own prophets. You, a faithful church leader, quoted the prophets to them…and the utterly rejected the prophets counsel. Sorry.
I’m also sorry that William Schryver is a DB…and I don’t mean a DB as in DBMormon type of DB.
William Schyver quotes directed at DBMormon after posting multiple statements made by latter-day prophets at MDDB in a thread titled,
So Called “Middle Way” Or “New Order” Mormonshttp://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/59579-so-called-middle-way-or-new-order-mormons/ ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/59579-so-called-middle-way-or-new-order-mormons/ Quote:So I guess you’ll be left alone (at least for the time being) to complain about the “hard things” we’ve said to you and your buddies.
Quote:I don’t understand at all why they just don’t come right out and own those implications. Well, I guess that’s not really true. I do understand. Their intent is to make their brand of disbelief — this so-called “middle way” — a “culturally acceptable” alternative. Or, in other words, to make apostasy normative.
What I really don’t understand is how they could possibly expect their advocacy of unfaith to go unchallenged.
Quote:Yes, I’ve heard precisely this same kind of logic articulated many times in the past on this message board. I’ve concluded that, whenever such people read their scriptures, they must intentionally skip Alma 5 and D&C 101. Or at least significant parts thereof.
Oh, well … I reckon even the apostates deserve their own band of apologists, even if they’re not very good at it.
Quote:Incidentally, I don’t think Elder Holland and President Uchtdorf would take kindly to you misapplying their words — intended to be understood in a different context, and in reference to a very different set of people than that to which you have applied them.
Quote:But this is a species of discussion in which I’ve long since ceased having any interest. If you want to play apologist for the apostates, that is certainly your prerogative. However, based on my prior experience and observations of these things, I will say this: from where you are right now, it’s just a short stroll to The Great and Spacious Trailer Park©.
My favorite post on the thread was the story that could have just as easily stood for the Interpreter as much as the NOM’s. By the way, I take no offense at him calling you my buddies…. you are.
Pharisees in all ages
DBMormon wrote:Pharisees in all ages
Yes, and sometimes it amounts to a form of bullying/pecking order.
Hi guys ~ Long time no post.
I just wanted to throw my .02 into the community change jar.
Bill,
In some ways your experience at MDDB mirrors mine. My condolences. You’ve tried to be a voice of reconciliation, bridging the divide between ideological factions who likely have far more similarities than differences. You’ve tried to reach out and bring people into (or back to) the fold of Christ. It’s an exhausting mission you are on. I hope you fare better than I did but I have my doubts. One of the reasons I started posting here was because at MDDB, I felt like I was standing inside the synagogue at the base of the rameumptom. It was the same march, the same prayer, and the same contempt for everyone standing outside the building coming from poster after poster after poster. Maybe I was more like the man born blind in front of the council joyously declaring the miracle of my sight and all they cared about was accusing the rabbi who healed me because he did so on the Sabbath. In the end, I walked away dejected.
I came here because I found people, standing outside the synagogue with humble hearts, even when those were often accompanied by hurt feelings and wounded souls. Here I found people who allowed me to rejoice in my miracle without judging or condemning, even if their experiences had been different. Even if they hadn’t experienced their own miracles. Even if they doubted my story start to finish. They let me speak. They embraced me. They shared their stories.
Cwald,
MDDB and MD are flip sides of the same coin. I have friends at both boards, people I love and respect but that doesn’t change my opinion of either board. They are both toxic environments that will draw you into donning one or another of their uniforms and lobbing verbal grenades at their board war enemies. I’ve largely stopped posting at either site for this reason. It’s virtually impossible to contribute meaningfully while keeping yourself above the fray. And the war isn’t one that either side wants to win. Too many of the combatants simply relish the very, dirty fight. And many, on both sides, will play nice publicly but scheme and snipe though private channels. (I’m not free of guilt here – I’ve sniped, to be sure, from time to time).
I’m just saying, if you’re really interested in moving forward in your spiritual life (in whatever direction), neither of these boards are helpful. They are stagnant pools of water.
All,
As for LM’s piece, well, I’ll share my son’s new favorite saying…
Fish gotta swim.
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