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The policy last November was like a kick in the balls. E Nelson’s statement last night is a stab in the back. ((hugs)) – and a virtual medical kit I am so sorry, my friend.
It just isn’t getting easier yet, is it? Ugh. And for the members, it’s a real Milgram’s test. I refuse to push the button. hawkgrrrl wrote:And for the members, it’s a real Milgram’s test. I refuse to push the button.
Hmm. I thought I was a participant in the experiment as the subject that yeps – but they seemed to have left the test leads “live”. This all hurts quite a bit, but it seems a bit if I yelp really loud there are consequences of me being accused of not having faith.hawkgrrrl wrote:And for the members, it’s a real Milgram’s test. I refuse to push the button.
Feminist Mormon Housewives posted a write-up about the policy using the same analogy.
http://www.feministmormonhousewives.org/2016/01/the-mormon-milgram-experiment/ Wow. I never saw this whole thing as a Milgram’s test, but I see it now. The members feel justified in doing it because the authorities say God said it was right. It makes me uncomfortable seeing people just go along with this, without even struggling with it. I think it’s one thing if it made them question things and they prayed about it and came to terms with it, but some people I know just went along with it without seeming really bothered by it at all. Sometimes I wonder just how far members would go if the prophet told them something was inspired by God. Is there anything they wouldn’t do? I thought I have had all afternoon. It revolves around some that are encouraging non-orthodox Mormons not to leave the church as that moves the average leaning of the church even more conservative. I have understood this and actually taken a bit of agreeing and wanting to “stay in and work from within” as many believe that things like the policy will be reversed eventually and those LGBQ+ members need some support within. But I am starting to seriously wonder if staying is actually prolonging the upper leaders from feeling the full force of how much this impacts many such as myself. I wonder if I am complacent in allowing it to linger longer before being reversed. I am going to have to pray about that.
I am once again sorry, Turinturambar. I cannot imagine the hurt these things bring to you. I, too, send you hugs. (and I also refuse to push the button.)
So sorry for what this has done to you. Wish I could do more to help. Turinturambar, I just wanted to say ‘hello’. I believe the old ship zion will eventually turn, but it will take a long time, and in the meantime, it’s hurting a lot of people. My thoughts are with you, and please just know that I’m trying to counter the policy in my own small sphere.
Once again Gregory Prince gives what I feel is a clear picture http://rationalfaiths.com/biology-vs-behavior/http://rationalfaiths.com/biology-vs-behavior/” class=”bbcode_url”> I just just read Greg’s post mentioned above. Was well written and interesting. I went on a walk with a gay friend about 6 years ago, and he mentioned something interesting: “Being gay isn’t just about sex. Being gay influences and colors your entire perception of the world around you.”
Hunh?….interesting. Never though of it like that. And, I knew my friend well enough to know he was in immense pain over his moral conflict (with the church), and his conflict with being able to live and be himself. He was disfellowshipped once for his lifestyle, was married and had children, and couldn’t “live the lie” any more. He had followed the church’s position about “forcing himself to get married”,…and it backfired. He is a good daddy to his children, and he and his ex-wife are on very good terms. But, he has moved on: has left the church, doesn’t feel any desire whatsoever to again engage in the “disciplinary process” and has moved on.
My heart and love goes out to him. I don’t understand his position, not being gay myself, but I do have enough empathy that I can cry with him.
LookingHard wrote:Once again Gregory Prince gives what I feel is a clear picture
http://rationalfaiths.com/biology-vs-behavior/http://rationalfaiths.com/biology-vs-behavior/” class=”bbcode_url”> Bravo, Greg Prince!
My favorite part is how he ended this piece:
Quote:I never dreamed that I would be in the church standing up for what I felt was right amid the voices in the church telling me that I am wrong.
Isn’t this ironic?
😥 I have some close friends that are also in your shoes. Here’s to hoping that all of this is amounts to flailings of desperation, the night getting darkest right before dawn.
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