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Two years ago maybe. I don’t care anymore…nor do I have the clout or influence to make a difference at this stage of the game.
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But I think it is good info for those who are still active. Thanks Thoreou. Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk 2
Thoreau wrote:Why do we get so wound up about white shirts? The handbook states that white shirts and ties are not required to administer the sacrament. Are leaders still failing to read the handbook? When are we as members going to point things out to leaders that fail to follow the handbook? We all have access to CHI 2. It isn’t secret.
As far as entering the Temple, the only I have ever heard is Sunday best or church dress. I don’t think I’ve ever heard that white shirts are required to enter the Temple but I would feel out of place if I didn’t wear a suit with white shirt and tie. It also saves bringing more extra clothing since I wear pants and shirt rather than a jump suit.
The guidebook actually says that?….any chance you know where? I am going to go look for it just because…
Oh happy day…. Quote:Those who bless and pass the sacrament should dress modestly and be well groomed and clean. Clothing or jewelry should not call attention to itself or distract members during the sacrament. Ties and white shirts are recommended because they add to the dignity of the ordinance.
However, they should not be required as a mandatory prerequisite for a priesthood holder to participate. Nor should it be required that all be alike in dress and appearance. Bishops should use discretion when giving such guidance to young men, taking into account their financial circumstances and maturity in the Church. Quote:Ties and white shirts are
recommendedbecause they add to the dignity of the ordinance. This is how many things become commandments. It’s very sad…
It’s something to do with how everyone reads the sacrament prayer the same way. It’s how the last guy did it. Tradition runs strong. Aren’t traditions of the fathers something that was not approved of I thought? 
cwald wrote:But I think it is good info for those who are still active. Thanks Thoreou.
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The last part was for the membership at large. The big space I put between statements didn’t make that very clear.
Reflexzero wrote:It’s something to do with how everyone reads the sacrament prayer the same way. It’s how the last guy did it. Tradition runs strong. Aren’t traditions of the fathers something that was not approved of I thought?
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Following the hymn, the person who blesses the bread kneels and offers the sacrament prayer for the bread. The sacrament prayers were revealed by the Lord (see D&C 20:77, 79; Moroni 4–5). The bishop makes sure they are spoken clearly, accurately, and with dignity. If the person who blesses the sacrament makes an error in the wording but corrects it himself, no further correction is required. If the person does not correct an error, the bishop indicates that he should repeat the prayer correctly. In doing so, the bishop should be careful to avoid causing embarrassment or distracting from the sacred nature of the ordinance.Quote:TRADITION!!! Tradition! (insert insturmental music) . . . Tradition.Yeah, we talk all the time about “the incorrect traditions of their fathers”, but we tend as a people to overlook the those of our own ancestors. Frankly, that’s a good way to frame a lot of what we do here – separate “truth” from “tradition” and embrace truth while choosing whether or not to embrace tradition. (and the same can be said of “culture” – which actually differs slightly from “tradition”)
Also, just as an interesting aside, there is only one chapter in our entire scriptural canon that uses the phrase “incorrect tradition(s)”. It is Alma 37. (I know that only because I just looked it up.) In one verse it is singular (“incorrect tradition”), and in one verse it is plural (“incorrect traditions”).
I tend to be fine with the tradition of my ancestors, while rejecting some of the traditions of those same ancestors.
I had a Bishop once who, because of the counsel to avoid embarrassing the person saying the sacrament prayer, only would correct the prayer if the mistake was obvious or if it changed the meaning of the prayer in an important way. For example, he never would correct pronunciation or clarity of a word or phrase. I love that man.
I reference to the Sacrament prayer, I was referring to the exact same stresses, tense, and emphasis on the syllables. It always sounds the same, like reading lines. It’s only the wording that needs to be rote, not the expression, other than being reverent. We focus so much on doing it right, and less on the meaning. Wait here, stand there, right hand.
I await a bishop who says: do it again, with feeling.
johnh wrote:The guidebook actually says that?….any chance you know where? I am going to go look for it just because…
Church Handbook #2
Section 20.4.1
Quote:Those who bless and pass the sacrament should dress modestly and be well groomed and clean. Clothing or jewelry should not call attention to itself or distract members during the sacrament. Ties and white shirts are recommended because they add to the dignity of the ordinance.
However, they should not be required as a mandatory prerequisite for a priesthood holder to participate(emphasis added) If my son ever wishes to where a coloured shirt when he passes the sacrament I plan on having this section of the handbook open on my iPhone to show his leaders if they give him a hard time.
:angel: I shared that section today with a father of a young man who had been told he couldn’t pass when wearing a dark shirt that looked very nice. Love the gospel library where I can have this book marked and on hand
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johnh wrote:I shared that section today with a father of a young man who had been told he couldn’t pass when wearing a dark shirt that looked very nice.
Love the gospel library where I can have this book marked and on hand
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