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My brother-in law (the one who wrote the article discussed here about monoculture and diversity) wrote an article about pornography that is getting broad discussion. It is called “The Naked People on Your iPod”. It might be the best thing on this topic I have read, ever – certainly from a Mormon author.
https://medium.com/@ungewissen/the-naked-people-in-your-ipod-f770a27fdb59 Good article. Thank you for sharing it. Hmmm. I think that subject is what we call “click bait.” Good article. I liked the part about our being told that looking at porn dooms us to a life of addiction and loneliness. Back in my day it was smoking a cigarette, drinking, or masturbation. Kids tried them and took note that they didn’t die on the spot or develop same gender attraction. Lesson learned. GBSmith wrote:Good article. I liked the part about our being told that looking at porn dooms us to a life of addiction and loneliness. Back in my day it was smoking a cigarette, drinking, or masturbation. Kids tried them and took note that they didn’t die on the spot or develop same gender attraction. Lesson learned.
Not sure I agree about smoking. I know plenty of people who started in high school, and can’t quit decades later.
You can add cannabis to that list too.
Good article — lots of clear, logical reasoning here. I would like to ask a question. Assume you have a heterosexual man or a woman, who in spite of trying very hard to find a suitable marriage partner, finds themselves unmarried and alone — from their young adulthood, and through their entire lives. They have the same powerful sexual drives as any person, yet have no way of seeing those drives reduced through normal sexual means given their situation, which is no fault of their own.
What alternatives, other than pornography and masturbation, does this person have to satisfy those drives?
[Which, incidentally, I heard many people wish could be erased from their physiology and psychology if it were feasible. This is due to the unprovoked torment these drives cause when there is no “moral” means of expression available to them???]
SilentDawning wrote:Good article — lots of clear, logical reasoning here.
I would like to ask a question. Assume you have a heterosexual man or a woman, who in spite of trying very hard to find a suitable marriage partner, finds themselves unmarried and alone — from their young adulthood, and through their entire lives. They have the same powerful sexual drives as any person, yet have no way of seeing those drives reduced through normal sexual means given their situation, which is no fault of their own.
What alternatives, other than pornography and masturbation, does this person have to satisfy those drives?
[Which, incidentally, I heard many people wish could be erased from their physiology and psychology if it were feasible. This is due to the unprovoked torment these drives cause when there is no “moral” means of expression available to them???]
The key word is “moral”. When any experience or expression of sexual pleasure outside of marriage is deemed immoral it means that everything related to sexuality has to be controlled. It leads to Calvin’s doctrine of the total depravity of man and the idea that the flesh has to be controlled, contained and mortified. To me the bounds the Lord has set is marriage but for the unmarried denying those needs brings neither thanks nor blessings and satisfying them with masturbation and erotica is not sin, IMHO.
Intense internal pressure generally leads to explosion, no matter the nature of the pressure. So, what GB said.
Well put GB. I don’t view sexual practices outside of marriage a sin either. That is, not against the Lord. I view them as a sin against my spouse if she is not accepting of them. And a sin against myself if I am letting it interfere with my health, career or relationships. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote:Intense internal pressure generally leads to explosion, no matter the nature of the pressure.
So, what GB said
And what Old-Timer said too.
A couple months ago, a single LDS friend confided to me that she had gone to the bishop and confessed her sin of mastrubation. Her temple recommend was taken over this. That just seemed so wrong to me. She felt shamed and made to feel less worthy over something that seemed so insignificant. I’m not sure why these topics are even asked about within the framework of religion.
amateurparent wrote:Quote:Intense internal pressure generally leads to explosion, no matter the nature of the pressure.
So, what GB said
And what Old-Timer said too.
A couple months ago, a single LDS friend confided to me that she had gone to the bishop and confessed her sin of mastrubation. Her temple recommend was taken over this. That just seemed so wrong to me. She felt shamed and made to feel less worthy over something that seemed so insignificant. I’m not sure why these topics are even asked about within the framework of religion.
Things like this make me want to shake people!!!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
What bothers me is situations where people prohibit certain activities that serve a particular purpose, without providing alternatives. In general…I’ll bet the discussion with the Bishop involved confession of MB followed by a discussion of why it is “wrong” from the Bishop’s perspective, followed with a TR being taken away. If there is no alternative, then what? In the case of MB I have also wondered if a Bishop would rather the person went out an relieved the tension with a real person rather than in private and alone? I’m being sarcastic.
Part of the problem as I see it is that we lose confidence in deciding for ourselves what’s OK or not and then rely on a leader to make the decision for us. Risky business. I think it’s been referred to leadership roulette, a game I’ve lost at and won’t play again. We’re supposed to be entitled to personal revelation but I don’t think we really believe in it most of the time. We have reached a point at our house that when the youth have Standards Night, a special fireside on pornography, or a special stake YW meeting on Modesty, we do not attend. Our daughter is modest. In fact, she is a little TOO focused on modesty. She doesn’t need any more lessons on the topic. I want her to grow up with a healthy understanding and respect for herself and her body. The local church has just gone too far to the weird side on the topic. The balance is gone.
I am soooo tired to hearing people talk at church about the dangers of porn .. And trying to get everyone to buy a book on the topic .. Stop already.
I’ve read that article before, Ray. Thanks for sharing. 
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