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Too bad you don’t have more publicity like the MormonThink editor.
FWIW, I don’t want that type of approach or publicity. I believe he is fighting the Church openly, and I have no desire to do that.
And there are PLENTY of sites out there that are run by people who desire to fight the Church. This site is different, but suffers from being guilty by association. It has a different message, one of support instead of hate. I like that and will continue to be found on this site and nowhere else.
Heavy_Laden wrote:Old-Timer wrote:Quote:Too bad you don’t have more publicity like the MormonThink editor.
FWIW, I don’t want that type of approach or publicity. I believe he is fighting the Church openly, and I have no desire to do that.
And there are PLENTY of sites out there that are run by people who desire to fight the Church. This site is different, but suffers from being guilty by association. It has a different message, one of support instead of hate. I like that and will continue to be found on this site and nowhere else.
I’m also considering cutting off the other forums except this one. Both the extreme pro and extreme contra. I need to just get on with life now. But this forum is a circle of friends.
mackay11 wrote:…. But this forum is a circle of friends.
Yes. I feel the same way…it’s why I stay as well, even though I have very little contact with the church. If it ever gets to where I can no longer support the mission of the site, someone just needs to say so, and I will move on. I have no desire to fight the church or see it fail and become extinct. No joy at all in that scenario.
Reformation on the other hand….Reformation? Damn right…I can’t wait for that to happen. It will happen, if the people, the faithful Mormons still in the church, will only listen to their own prophets.
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And mackay, I said the same thing at NOM. All the talk about this October surprise bringing down the church and resigning….I just don’t get it. Folks celebrating the demise and extinction of the LDS Church and bragging about their resignations… NOM frustrates me…it goes in stages where the atheists and exmos rule the board…i
I don’t get it.
I don’t care.
The last time it got this bad, it took some of the more moderate posters like myself and stealth bishop, fh451, and epig and Oliver etc to get balance back. I probably won’t be part of that or do that again. I go to NOM when I need to vent or discuss things that I don’t feel belong on staylds. Such is life…
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NOM sounds like a Lehi’s dream with the “A great and spacious building, symbolizing the pride of the world.” It was a site that I didn’t feel comfortable navigating. No offense to the people running it or those who like going there, it is my POV. Heavy_Laden wrote:NOM sounds like a Lehi’s dream with the “A great and spacious building, symbolizing the pride of the world.” It was a site that I didn’t feel comfortable navigating. No offense to the people running it or those who like going there, it is my POV.
Really? Are you sure you are not thinking of MAD or LDS.net?
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I didn’t spend a lot of time on any of those boards, it is just the few threads I clicked on. I am not familiar with those other sites. To tell you the truth, I was surprised on how many LDS boards are out there. This one is just right for me, I guess I am not into debating Church topics online. I would rather be the voice of reason than swinging the battle axe around.
cwald wrote:And mackay, I said the same thing at NOM. All the talk about this October surprise bringing down the church and resigning….I just don’t get it. Folks celebrating the demise and extinction of the LDS Church and bragging about their resignations…
NOM frustrates me…it goes in stages where the atheists and exmos rule the board…i
I don’t get it.
I don’t care.
The last time it got this bad, it took some of the more moderate posters like myself and stealth bishop, fh451, and epig and Oliver etc to get balance back. I probably won’t be part of that or do that again. I go to NOM when I need to vent or discuss things that I don’t feel belong on staylds. Such is life…
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I go on NOM a bit, but I almost feel like I need to play a part. That I’m too believing to be a part of the conversation. Maybe that’s the wrong impression.
I don’t expect much real reform and I don’t want to undermine anyone else’s faith. But I do want to be accepted and welcomed for my transitioned faith.
I do the NOM thing more for information then to post many of my thoughts. There seem to be more discontent there then I really like but like Cwald I feel better venting there because in truth sometimes my StayLDS will power is not as strong as at other times. cwald wrote:Heavy_Laden wrote:NOM sounds like a Lehi’s dream with the “A great and spacious building, symbolizing the pride of the world.” It was a site that I didn’t feel comfortable navigating. No offense to the people running it or those who like going there, it is my POV.
Really? Are you sure you are not thinking of MAD or LDS.net?
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Not really doing that great today. Woke up at 4:30AM and couldn’t get back to sleep. I know what happened to Cwald on these boards now and so I don’t want to reveal too much. I have not become a target over church history or doubts. It has to do with social issues, activism, and writing. I am a strong supporter of marriage equality. I don’t believe that I am a target for a disciplinary council but I think there is a good chance that my TR will be pulled. The hardest part for me with that is that I think it will hurt my marriage and me being able to see my children married in the future. That makes me very sad. I thought I would be angrier but I am mostly just sad since I am not an enemy of the church. I just personally have very liberal positions on some social issues and I am vocal and kind of an activist on FB for these causes. Sorry to hear about your lack of sleeping. I have had that happen many times and it is a real bummer. As I was reading your post, something came to mind. I have been saying that FB is not a good thing for people and this is an example of that. FB gives people a podium to express their views, something that people didn’t have 10-15 years ago. Back then, the only way people heard opinions was word of mouth, paper newsletters and computer bulletin board posts. Now people have 200+ friends and not all of them are “friends”. If you express something that is unpopular or controversial, word gets out within minutes. It ruins people’s lives and destroys family relationships.
I am not advocating not voicing your opinion on Church matters online, just pick a good venue for it. FB is a bad venue for just about anything. I personally use my FB account to repost George Takei’s Star Wars and Star Trek posts or I tell people that I am having a good day. I try to keep it positive, funny and uplifting.
:thumbup: I don’t think having a strong opinion on a controversial topic is bad at all. Many Catholics, who have similar views as a Church as LDS does, still take communion and speak out for equality. I believe this issue will be a non-issue sooner or later. I believe Church should welcome anyone to worship, regardless of their preference.
Aren’t there Democrat Mormons? Some of them must advocate social liberties that oppose at least some of the LDS policies. Don’t just hand over your TR passively. Good point mackay11.. Harry Reid still says he is LDS and he speaks about all sorts of things that the Church doesn’t agree with. Heavy_Laden wrote:Good point mackay11.. Harry Reid still says he is LDS and he speaks about all sorts of things that the Church doesn’t agree with.
Here’s one:
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Washington • Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says gay Americans should be able to get married, a new position that shows President Barack Obama isn’t the only politician whose views are evolving.Reid, D-Nev., is the highest-ranking Mormon in the U.S. government and up until now has said he agrees with his faith’s opposition to gay marriage, but on Wednesday, Reid aligned himself with Obama’s newfound embrace for the legalization of same-sex unions.
“My personal belief is that marriage is between a man and a woman. But in a civil society, I believe that people should be able to marry whomever they want, and it’s no business of mine if two men or two women want to get married,” Reid said.
On Thursday, reporters asked Reid if he would vote to legalize same sex marriage if it was on the ballot in Nevada and he nodded yes, even though he previously voted for the state’s constitutional ban on gay marriage.
Reid’s stance is far from the stated position of the LDS Church, which considers homosexual behavior a sin and has repeatedly campaigned against attempts to sanction same-sex relationships, though in recent years it has supported political efforts to provide some legal protections to gay people.
Mitt Romney, a Mormon and the presumptive Republican presidential candidate, has stuck close to the LDS position, telling a Denver TV reporter Wednesday: “I do not favor marriage between people of the same gender and I don’t favor civil unions if they’re identical to marriage other than by name. My view is domestic partnership benefits, hospital visitation rights and the like are appropriate, but the others are not.”
On more than one occasion, Reid has found his views on issues surrounding gay marriage departing from those of his faith, not that this would in any way threaten his standing in the church. LDS leaders regularly point to its statement on relationships with government, which says public officials who are Mormon make their own decisions and may not agree “with one another or even with a publicly stated church position.”
Church leaders have argued the legalization of gay marriage would undermine the centuries-old institution sanctioned by God. That’s a position Reid dismissed Wednesday.
“The idea that allowing two loving, committed people to marry would have any impact on my life, or on my family’s life, always struck me as absurd,” Reid said.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/54089953-90/church-gay-lds-marriage.html.csp
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