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One of many reason is geography, that you can’t finding the city BoM talks about. But Jerusalem or ancient Egypt or Persian city you can go today and visit. Sec problem meny anti Mormons have is Joseph Smith first vision problem that church admit that there was several of first vision with different story.
And the last thing is Joseph smith him self behavior is not good example (for the church and members) that can be chocking a lot for new members too the church.
When they discover that the historical facts is not on the church side.
Specially in contrast to what the church teaches about Joseph is almost like a saint!
The same with Joseph translation of pearl of great price show is false.
Joseph credibility of translation of the BoM suffer a lot, because of it and in the long run the credibility of the church.
But the biggest problem I think ex members have is that church doesn’t make clear once and for all what happened and why! It’s like opened wound for all of them.
And yes it’s problematic for the church that all this question aren’t answered.
For me it doesn’t bother me but I can understand that for many people it is a big problem.
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One of our local churches used to have what we called, “Hate A Mormon Week”. They brought in an outside group who ran the entire event. It was a huge tent revival and a great money maker for the congregation. One of the local ward members was a running buddy with the pastor. He asked about the annual event. The pastor put it bluntly, “It’s just business.” There is so much money to be made with hate and disapproval. Religion and politics have learned that lesson well.
Filthy lies. Sounds like a vey Mormony response. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Cadence wrote:Filthy lies. Sounds like a vey Mormony response.
Not sure what you’re trying to say here Cadence. What’s filthy lies? Care to clarify?
It is a very human response. Yes, we have serious issues in the Church, but it doesn’t help anyone in any way, constructively, to label or imply things as exclusive to us that are shared broadly throughout nearly all segments of the world’s population.
I can see how some people might be very bitter toward the church. Speaking out against it would be therapeutic. Some might even feel they are doing the world a favor by “enlightening” the world about the dark side of Mormonism. I do not have entirely kind feelings toward the church any longer. But I could not see myself going to a congregation and spreading exaggerated tales about my LDS experience. Nor could I invest time in dissuading others from either joining or staying with the church.
I guess I still do not completely understand the mind of an anti-Mormon.
One thing — don’t underestimate the power of propaganda to rile up negative opinions or motivate people to negative action toward the church. As they say, the pen can be mightier than the sword…
SilentDawning wrote:
I guess I still do not completely understand the mind of an anti-Mormon.I have a neighbor who I liked until we started to discuss religion & he found out I was in the LDS church.
He then wrote me a “heart felt” letter that preceded to tell me everything that was wrong with our faith.
Needless to say, we don’t talk very much anymore.
I would never tell anyone that they were wrong in the Church they belong to or in what they believe.
I don’t understand how anyone feels they have the right to tell me I’m wrong in what I believe.
I can’t remember anywhere in the scriptures where Jesus did that. Is there a scripture somewhere that you know?
Please tell me what it is.
I don’t believe that we are the only ones that have experienced this “anti” tactics.
We can do the same things when we declare we are the only true church on earth.
I have never been comfortable with that declaration.
Minyan Man wrote:I would never tell anyone that they were wrong in the Church they belong to or in what they believe.
I don’t understand how anyone feels they have the right to tell me I’m wrong in what I believe.
I can’t remember anywhere in the scriptures where Jesus did that. Is there a scripture somewhere that you know?
Please tell me what it is.
I don’t believe that we are the only ones that have experienced this “anti” tactics.
We can do the same things when we declare we are the only true church on earth.
I have never been comfortable with that declaration.
I wouldn’t go about telling anyone else their church/religion is wrong either. I’m very much a “let them worship how, where, or what they may” kind of guy. I can see how it can be perceived that our missionary program tries to convince people they’re wrong, though. I do not know any scriptural basis for doing so, and I don’t think that’s what Jesus did – although he didn’t seem shy about railing on the scribes and Pharisees. I think the closest we come is Joseph Smith’s FV account where he says all the creeds are wrong, etc. I think we take that a bit too far, however.
And I don’t believe we are the only ones who get anti stuff. I am sure JWs do, and I have heard negativity about Catholicism and Judaism as well. I think some in the church may be overly sensitive to it because of the culture of persecution that prevails in some areas of the population.
There are many faithful people who feel completely correct in letting a LGBTQ person know that their lifestyle is wrong. That is worse than having people comment on your religion. I have certainly had plenty of people over the years let me know that Mormonism was a cult/wrong/a perversion .. Etc.
What was that phrase Flower the Skunk used in Bambi … ?
I think it was Thumper. “When you can’t say something nice don’t say anything at all.” It’s pretty regularly mentioned in lessons in sunday school I attend, how right we are and wrong others are. Stage 3 comments. What goes around comes around. Quote:It’s pretty regularly mentioned in lessons in sunday school I attend, how right we are and wrong others are. Stage 3 comments. What goes around comes around.
A couple of weeks ago I blew a few mindsets by reading a portion of the First Presidency’s statement on the value of other religions from 1978. The double blessing was that Elder Faust had used it in a GC talk in 2000, so no one could dismiss it, but it kind of derailed the “We’re #1” chant that was being ridden.
Truth be told I had fun watching it let the air out of a few balloons.
😈 Well played, mom3. Well played. :thumbup: Mom you piqued my curiosity and inspired me to research. I could not find an original course for the 1978 statement, but I did find the quoted statement: Quote:On February 15, 1978 the First Presidency of the Church issued the following declaration: The great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius, and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, received a portion of God’s light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals…. Our message therefore is one of special love and concern for the eternal Welfare of all men and women, regardless of religious belief, race, or nationality, knowing that we are truly brothers and sisters because we are sons and daughters of the same Eternal Father
Reference:
http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/World_Religions_%28Non-Christian%29_and_Mormonism#Overview ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/World_Religions_%28Non-Christian%29_and_Mormonism#Overview The conference archive page seems to be having some issues at the moment so I can’t search for Faust’s reference.
However, I agree this was well done, Mom. I think often members can get so caught up in the “great apostasy” and the church having “all the truth” and so on that it is very easy to get a superiority complex. Statements like the above are reminders that are too few and far between, IMO. Simply put, we do not have a monopoly on truth and never have.
Edited to add the link to Pres. Faust’s 2006 address:
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2006/04/the-restoration-of-all-things?lang=eng ” class=”bbcode_url”> https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2006/04/the-restoration-of-all-things?lang=eng https://www.lds.org/ensign/1988/01/i-have-a-question/i-have-a-question?lang=eng ” class=”bbcode_url”> https://www.lds.org/ensign/1988/01/i-have-a-question/i-have-a-question?lang=eng Quote:“Based upon ancient and modern revelation, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints gladly teaches and declares the Christian doctrine that all men and women are brothers and sisters, not only by blood relationship from mortal progenitors, but also as literal spirit children of an Eternal Father.
“The great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius, and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, received a portion of God’s light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.
“The Hebrew prophets prepared the way for the coming of Jesus Christ, the promised Messiah, who should provide salvation for all mankind who believe in the gospel.
“Consistent with these truths, we believe that God has given and will give to all people sufficient knowledge to help them on their way to eternal salvation, either in this life or in the life to come.
“We also declare that the gospel of Jesus Christ, restored to his Church in our day, provides the only way to a mortal life of happiness and a fullness of joy forever. For those who have not received this gospel, the opportunity will come to them in the life hereafter if not in this life.
“Our message therefore is one of special love and concern for the eternal welfare of all men and women, regardless of religious belief, race, or nationality, knowing that we are truly brothers and sisters because we are the sons and daughters of the same Eternal Father.”
Thanks DJ – I was going to look that up and put it on my phone. You saved me a few minutes work
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