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IT HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN!!!!!! Cwald, take heart!
On every social media forum (including MDDB) the article was roundly condemned. Every comment below the article was critical of it. Mine wasn’t even published (it was probably too aggressive).
But everything I’ve read was against it. It’s working, it’s changing. Slowly… by degrees… the great and immobile cruise liner is changing course. Believe and keep sharing the Uchtdorf message.
mom3 wrote:I have stewed over this piece most of the morning, then I realized I still have agency.
If the whole world jumps on her boat (from reading the comments, it doesn’t look likely)that’s okay. This is my church. I have paid for it in sweat, tithing, hours, study – it is my first spiritual language – and darn it all – I’m a liberal (and didn’t even know it).
Once the agency button turned back on, my resolve stiffened even more. I can site enough quotes, scripture passages and prophet reminders to lay the case for the type of tent I believe in. And if I have to I will wear a bikini to church, while I sit in my center row with my liberal friends.I will. And you are all invited.
Oh – I will be bringing a towel because it’s cold here.
Lastly, I did go to Europe this summer,the home of my birth. Only Cwald knew about it and I want to correct that error now and tell all of you. Now you know everything and we can all get on with the day.
:wave: Thank you wonderful mom3.
If it would help and make a difference then
Iwould happily wear a bikini and join you on centre row. (Hope you’ll forgive the spelling of “centre,” it’s that awful European influence again Mackay – I will just put a jumper on over my bikini and join you in the centre – Scoot over, here I come. I think this is my biggest problem with American politics – it’s not ideological, it’s just presidential elections are so much about personality and mud slinging, when they should be about policy and fairness and I’m sorry to see this enter the church. It reminds me of another common tendency these days, to think talking louder and longer than another person wins the debate. It doesn’t.
I’m glad the article disappeared before it could do more damage and hurt testimonies and cause people to leave the church. Im glad the church in general disavowed this ladies article and her message.
Question. Local leaders and family…. Will this RSP, church leader, be accused of apostasy? Accused of teaching false doctrine and going against the established teachings of the prophets and leading members astray? Will she be called into the SP office? Will she be threatened with the loss of a TR? Will she be accused of being a sheep in wolf clothing? Will there be several GC talks repudiating her belief and teachings?
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Quote:Will there be several GC talks repudiating her belief and teachings?
I doubt the other stuff will happen, but the above has happened already – including in General Conference less than a month ago. I’m glad she wrote it so soon afterward, so the memories of what was said there are still fresh. It gave some people, perhaps for the first time, an immediate sense of how twisted the exclusion logic is – and that isn’t a bad thing, even though I wish we didn’t have members who would write it.
Having said that, I also think the writer needs an extra dose of charity and compassion right now. She just got her teeth kicked in, and she might be that traveler who needs a Samaritan right about now.
Old-Timer wrote:Quote:Will there be several GC talks repudiating her belief and teachings?
I doubt the other stuff will happen,….
Why won’t it happen?
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REGARDING THE ARTICLE by Joni Hilton: I found this response from Meridian Magazine posted by John Dehlin. Posted by John Dehlin
Apparently this article has been (at least temporarily) removed from Meridian Magazine’s web site, so I am re-posting it here for those who still want to read it (Click here for PDF Version with comments, Hat tip to Josh Smith).
*Update* An email response from the Meridian Editorial Team:
“XXX (name withheld here for privacy reasons),
The team in charge of editorial today was not on the top of things and we agree that this article is extremely offensive and it will be taken down.
It has been removed from the homepage and will be completely deleted from the site before long. There may still be a cached copy if you don’t clear your cache, but it will be removed in the next few hours. God loves everyone, regardless of whether they are liberal or conservative. James E. Faust was a liberal Mormon too.
We are embarrassed that it slipped through somehow.”
Funny you’d mention the Samaritan on the Road, Ray. Tonight while I was walking along staring at trick or treaters, I thought about her, I thought about my vent here, and realized how far I still have to go. I don’t totally regret my humor, because humor can help release tension, but it’s tricky. As tricky as anger. I too am grateful the piece was taken down and even more grateful to read so many comments from people who genuinely don’t want the dividing lines put up. I loved the use of scripture, and prophet quotes that were used in defense of an open tent faith. I also stand by the feeling of resolve it has added to me. I don’t want a war, and I’m not hoping to create one, but I also don’t want to turn my back on this religion just yet. I believe it has promise.
I am still learning my boundaries and today was a good day to examine it.
Quote:Why won’t it happen?
Because It shouldn’t happen.
None of those things should happen to someone for writing a piece like that, certainly not reflexively and without discussions about why it was such a bad piece and in opposition to the Gospel. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and we talk all the time here about how wrong it is to do that to someone who expresses unorthodox views. If one of us had written a similarly polemic diatribe, we would scream in anger if that person was disciplined for it. It would be hypocritical of us to ask that it be done to her.
There’s this thing called the Golden Rule, and there’ this approach known as turning the other cheek. There’s this principle Jesus taught called mercy, and we are told to love those who spitefully use us. This seems like a wonderful chance to be a little more Christlike.
Old-Timer wrote:Quote:Why won’t it happen?
Because It shouldn’t happen.
None of those things should happen to someone for writing a piece like that, certainly not reflexively and without discussions about why it was such a bad piece and in opposition to the Gospel. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and we talk all the time here about how wrong it is to do that to someone who expresses unorthodox views. If one of us had written a similarly polemic diatribe, we would scream in anger if that person was disciplined for it. It would be hypocritical of us to ask that it be done to her.
There’s this thing called the Golden Rule, and there’ this approach known as turning the other cheek. There’s this principle Jesus taught called mercy, and we are told to love those who spitefully use us. This seems like a wonderful chance to be a little more Christlike.
Fair point Ray. But I still worry about the sisters in that RS group.
Quote:I still worry about the sisters in that RS group.
So do I, mackay11. I really do.
But calling for her to lose her membership or temple recommend over it is not the right response. It just isn’t.
Old-Timer wrote:Quote:I still worry about the sisters in that RS group.
So do I, mackay11. I really do.
But calling for her to lose her membership or temple recommend over it is not the right response. It just isn’t.
I agree and agree with your earlier post that if it were one of us writing a similar opposite opinion we’d be up in arms if any adverse action were taken.
I just wanted to mention that I looked at some of her other posts yesterday as well. She is a regular contributor to that site and apparently somewhat well known as an author, although I hadn’t heard of her before. She apparently has a strong conviction of the restoration of the gospel as everything else I read mentioned that, and she is quite blunt in her opinions.
I think the upshot is that this was a disruptive article. You can get this from either end of the spectrum. Damage control has kicked in. Right now the lady in question is either smarting from the incident and questioning her stance, or she is wondering if the board of Meridian is apostate!
SamBee wrote:I think the upshot is that this was a disruptive article. You can get this from either end of the spectrum. Damage control has kicked in.
Right now the lady in question is either smarting from the incident and questioning her stance, or she is wondering if the board of Meridian is apostate!
If I can make a determination of self-righteousness based on what I read that she wrote, I’d say the latter.
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