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Perhaps the proof is not sufficient for some, but I have had multiple experiences in the temple doing proxy work for the dead, and I almost always leave the temple wanting to be a better person. Indeed, it has proven to be a good thing for me. Until there is some proof that it is all a lie and is wrong, I will continue to do things that are good in my life. Experience can be proof. I usually come to think about proxy temple work as a symbolic act. We are standing in for the ordinances of salvation for those that cannot complete the ordinances for themselves. Our highest form of worship is literally symbolic of standing in for the Savior, doing His work. I think if we just focus on ‘saving’ everyone through the ordinances we miss the point of the temple. The point of the gospel and the temple is to get us to look outside of ourselves. Make sure our actions have a positive effect on others and are helping others. I once heard that everything in the temple is symbolic. I would think that applies to the work there as well. It still won’t stop me from doing it. I enjoy the symbology and messages of the temple. The idea of realizing our full divine potential with God’s help by serving others.
Cadence wrote:I love art and music and all that stuff. I jsut do not think it is tied to mythology as some would. It is an expression of the marvelous nature of the human mind.
But they are!
The earliest stories are myths,the earliest music is ritual, the oldest remaining buildings are nearly all temples, or religion related… as is the bulk of ancient art…
And the origins of drama are firmly in religious ritual. Tragedy’s so called because a goat would be sacrificed before hand.
I haven’t submitted any names for temple work yet. (I’m sorry to admit.) Are there any checks & balances when names are submitted for temple work?
The reason I mention this is: when I did research on relatives, I noticed that there were multiple baptisms, etc performed.
Is this common?
Or, is it just a mistake?
When I’m long gone, will there be additional ordinances performed for me?
Just curious.
Mike from Milton.
Mike- You may get an extra dunking but I don’t think so. Alot of that duplication is being sorted out since we have computer access and realize that everyone did grandpa’s work for him. Often they now double check it before they let you print it or use it. It doesn’t take long and it saves everyone. So as long as your records haven’t changed. Your probably safe. But don’t worry if you get a double dunk you can feel right at home with the early Saints who deliberately got rebaptized. It was a brief practice a few of them enjoyed.
Quote:Do we really think the baptismal waters wash sins from our dirty mortal bodies? No.
I never thought this point was really relevant to me. I got baptized at the age of 8 and had very little sin. It is just interesting that within the last year the following scripture has helped me: “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” (Galatians 2:20)
In relation to baptism for the dead, the dead are physically dead, and perhaps spiritually dead as well. Christ will cause the dead to rise physically, but to rise spiritually, the mortal has to become spiritual (us) to enter into the temple to do this great work. All of it depends upon the atonement, but it is doubly symbolic in the temple because it is vicarious service for the dead, performed by the living (who are doing their best to live spiritually after Christ). Since no one can be saved in sin, we help breathe spiritual life like CPR into the dead person through baptism for the dead so when they are resurrected they may be saved. The symbol of death and resurrection of baptism makes it seem like it has to occur before resurrection. Being dead is fine since the cycle hasn’t been completed (hence baptism for the dead), the symbol still works for the dead who are anticipating resurrection.
Quote:Humans have been on this earth for around 150,000 years, but we only started writing less than 6000 years ago.
I stumbled upon some information that is interesting, and perhaps the reason why we need a thousand years to complete the temple ordinances: “From Adam to the time of Jesus, ordinances were performed in temples for the living only. After Jesus opened the way for the gospel to be preached in the world of spirits, ceremonial work for the dead, as well as for the living has been done in temples on the earth by faithful members of the Church. Building and properly using a temple is one of the marks of the true Church in any dispensation, and is especially so in the present day.” Bible Dictionary-LDS Bible p. 781 under heading Temple.I never realized this before, essentially without Christ opening the way for the preaching of the gospel unto the dead, Baptism for the dead would have been a dead work without any merit. Without the Atonement, baptism would have no meaning at all-for the living or the dead.
Mike, The church used to use Personal Ancestral File (PAF) for genealogy. With everyone having their own genealogy program, it was very hard to check to see if someone’s work had already been done, so there was a considerable amount of duplicate ordinances performed. With the new online familysearch program, the idea is to move in a more collaborative effort, and hopefully there will be a lot less duplication in the future.
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