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I have decided to stop visiting this site because I don’t feel I can make a constructive contribution. Thank you for considering things I’ve said here. I apologize if I’ve offended anyone. iI wish you all the best in finding your individual paths back to our Father in heaven.
A few parting thoughts, for anyone who might find value in them.
– In the area of technology, there is a theory about how a particular technology progresses over time: 1) simple but crude, 2) advanced but complex, and finally 3) advanced and simple. After over 50 years attending the university of life, I find myself coming back to the Primary answers we teach our children. I am realizing for first time how profound they are.
– I recommend to everyone on this planet that they memorize the talk “Beware of Pride” by President Benson. Myself, I’m going to memorize it and try to internalize it – that how valuable I think it is, and how much I need it.
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1989/04/beware-of-pride?lang=eng – Henry Eyring was probably the most eminent scientist who was Mormon. He was the father of Henry B. Eyring current counselor to the prophet. Anyway, one of Henry’s favorite quotes was something his rancher father told him:
“In this Church you don’t have to believe anything that isn’t true.”
I appreciate your contributions, shoshin, since we need “traditional” voices as well to have a degree of balance – but I understand that this might not be the right place for you. God bless you on your journey. May there be a road.
I think you’ve added much to the discussion. Not sure why you posted this today to be honest. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
I’m sure you are a great man and an assett to all those that know you. Even in our disagreement you have been respectful and considerate. You will always be welcome here.
What I believe you have found is that traditional answers will not work for most of the people who post here.
FWIW, there are other forums. DBMormon runs a historically honest and traditionally believeing one that might be right up your ally. If you are looking to help people – there is always a need.
:wave: Roy wrote:…
What I believe you have found is that traditional answers will not work for most of the people who post here….
And there it is. The root of the problem.
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Sorry to see you go, but I understand where you’re coming from. I have learned from you and I hope you have gained some insight from us. May you find the peace you seek. I’m sorry to see you go too. Stop back from time to time. You may want to contribute again. I did.
The break helped me to clear my head
I wish you the best.
I wish you the best of luck, shoshin, and may the Lord bless you in your journey. As Ray pointed out, it’s good to have traditional comments with the non-traditional ones. I agree that DBMormon or Bill Reel website you’ll have an excellent balance of all of that. If you ever want to email me and talk, that’s fine. I still have lots of traditional beliefs about the gospel and the church. Most of the friends I have from the church are mainly traditional in their beliefs, so I normally don’t take offense to them. shoshin wrote:I have decided to stop visiting this site because I don’t feel I can make a constructive contribution.
I for one have appreciated the contributions you have made. I am sorry to see you go.
shoshin wrote:I have decided to stop visiting this site because I don’t feel I can make a constructive contribution.
Sorry to see you go Shoshin. If you ever change your mind, you’re welcome back as others have said.
shoshin wrote:
“In this Church you don’t have to believe anything that isn’t true.”This is one of my all time favorite quotes.
Truly, best wishes to you.
Thanks for the kind words. If someone wants to try to explain to me why the traditional answers don’t help folks here, I would like to understand that. It’s totally outside my own experience.
How about this? I just found this. Does it ring true with anyone here? Faith Crisis 101
shoshin wrote:…If someone wants to try to explain to me why the traditional answers don’t help folks here, I would like to understand that. It’s totally outside my own experience.
For me, many of the traditional answers DO help me.
Just speaking for myself, I joined the Church as an adult. I prayed about the key elements of the gospel like the missionaries asked me to do.
I received my answers & they are just as true today as they were then. I do not have a big problem with historical or doctrinal issues.
My faith crisis came with my personal relationship with God & the anger I was feeling at the time.
I won’t bore you by repeating the details. This forum has helped me deal with it & I found a way back.
I thank God that I have a place like this forum to discuss issues that I can’t discuss in SS or PH.
It also helped me to find people in my Ward that I can talk to confidentially. (I like to think that I can help them too.)
If you want to talk about this further, please let me know.
shoshin wrote:Thanks for the kind words.
If someone wants to try to explain to me why the traditional answers don’t help folks here, I would like to understand that. It’s totally outside my own experience.
I don’t speak for everyone but for me it’s because I was as orthodox as you can get, I already know all the traditional answers. I constantly reassured myself with all the traditional answers for years and years until my “shelf” could no longer support the weight of my faith crisis. My shelf fell despite traditional answers repeatedly echoing in my head, doing everything they could to prevent me from falling. Traditional answers were my very foundation pre-faith crisis, traditional answers begged me to hold on throughout my faith crisis, and even post faith transition the traditional orthodox answers make up a part of who I am.
I guess it’s hard to explain. It’s like approaching a friend with a problem and giving them advice but it turns out that your friend had previously thought of your idea, tried it for years, but it only ended up making things worse. A common thing that I hear (but this oversimplifies the situation considerably) is a person goes to their bishop looking for help in dealing with a faith crisis and the bishop tells them to read their scriptures 15 minutes every day… but what the bishop doesn’t know is that the person that is experiencing the faith crisis is already scouring the scriptures hours and hours each day.
But you are right in your own way. Perhaps that person has given up on reading scripture because it ended up making the problem worse. Perhaps the bishop’s reminder could prompt a person to revisit the scriptures and new life circumstances can now make for a positive experience.
Traditional answers are important. Ironically (I’m
neverpositive that I use that word correctly) for a person going through a faith crisis a traditional answer can serve as the seed of doubt but in the context of doubting a doubt rather than fostering one. Still, some have come out on the other side of that struggle where the traditional answer didn’t salve the wounds inflicted during a faith crisis.
It’s complicated.
:think: Hate to see you go. Every voice is important. The sharing of every perspective contributes to a greater overall understanding.
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