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There are “rumors” in my town that claim to come from scouting leaders that the church is splitting off. The end of this year is the main program change, scouts that want to earn a rank will have one more year past that to do so in the church program. Right now being an eagle scout means something in terms of college entrance, scholarship applications, military service, resume’, etc. so if that goes away it will be some time before anything the church devises that will have any similar significance. Plus what will parents have to hold over kids’ heads as a requirement to get a car or something similar? nibbler wrote:32 percent, any time there’s a big standoff like this it’s time to get nervous when the guys on your side only make up the third part.
Haha… love it, nibbler!GBSmith wrote:Right now being an eagle scout means something in terms of college entrance, scholarship applications, military service, resume’, etc. so if that goes away it will be some time before anything the church devises that will have any similar significance. Plus what will parents have to hold over kids’ heads as a requirement to get a car or something similar?
Parents hold this over the heads of their kid to get a car or something (like a license)? Shucks….I must be a bad parent. I always thought that my son should have read all the standard works, be able to quote all of the seminary scriptures, and have finished his Duty to God, and even be through is first year of college BEFORE he would be even allowed to considering driving.
Wow,…these permissive parents baffle me…..
I’ve thought a lot about this, and I don’t really know what we’d do if the Church parts ways with the BSA. On the one hand, my 10 year old really seems to thrive on the structure of Cub Scouts – he’s one of those boys who is really into Pinewood Derby cars and hiking and stuff. I’d love to see how he’d fare in a non-Church troop that’s actually being run by volunteers who wantto be there. On the other hand, we already have a laundry list of extracurricular activities for the kids – piano, wrestling, swimming, basketball, soccer, Mutual – and I don’t know that we’d go out of our way to participate in Scouts if we weren’t
expectedto do it. The life lessons you learn from Scouts aren’t so unique that my son can’t learn the same things from playing an instrument or being on a sports team. And it struck me when we were at the Blue and Gold Banquet earlier this year… I’ve always been REALLY uncomfortable with the over-the-top patriotism and the pseudo-militaristic aspects of Scouting. I didn’t realize how many people were ready to ditch scouting http://www.sltrib.com/home/2847995-155/most-utah-mormons-want-their-church ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.sltrib.com/home/2847995-155/most-utah-mormons-want-their-church I wonder what % is “don’t care for scouts to begin with”, what % is “well I will show YOU who is BOSS” knee-jerk reaction, vs those that just can’t stand that somewhere in some other non-LDS troop there is a gay leader (which is already the case, they are just in the closet). And there may be a few that feel like the church is just going to be the next target for the more confrontational (read legal battles) part of the LGBT movement and don’t want to mess with the fight (seeing how Prop 8 went for the church).
Joni wrote:On the other hand, we already have a laundry list of extracurricular activities for the kids – piano, wrestling, swimming, basketball, soccer, Mutual
Easy solution; pull them out of all of it and put them in a time management class instead.
It amazes me that people who can’t find a spare few minutes during the week go to such lengths to get their kids in the same habits.
Well all over the world there are less-than-willing LDS scout leaders waiting with baited breath to hear if they have to actually start planning something, or the church is going to get on with it before September. Reflexzero wrote:Well all over the world there are less-than-willing LDS scout leaders waiting with baited breath to hear if they have to actually start planning something, or the church is going to get on with it before September.
September is a pretty short time frame considering it is just days away. This stuff is being discussed in committee (or council) which by nature move slowly. Next September might be a more realistic time frame.
Be Prepared. Reflexzero wrote:Be Prepared.
I get the pun. Good one.NightSG wrote:Joni wrote:On the other hand, we already have a laundry list of extracurricular activities for the kids – piano, wrestling, swimming, basketball, soccer, Mutual
Easy solution; pull them out of all of it and put them in a time management class instead.
It amazes me that people who can’t find a spare few minutes during the week go to such lengths to get their kids in the same habits.
NightSG, this comment does not appear to me to be delivered with kindness. Perhaps it is because I identify with Joni’s schedule. My family is very active and involved in our community. I do have spare time to do what is important to me. I do not have spare time to do what is not my priority. I imagine that most people follow a similar pattern.
With the exception of Mutual/Scouts/Activty Days, all of the things I mentioned that our kids are involved with are things that we chooseto do. They are all things that the kids enjoy and that I see as having a clear benefit. It would be a lot easier to manage our time if all of our kids had the same hobbies and interests. However, right now I’ve got one who is passionate about synchronized swimming, one who excels at playing the piano, and one who is happiest with a basketball in her hand. As long as we have the money and the time to develop their God-given talents and abilities, I’m happy to do it. It does mean that I spend a lot of time in the car, or sitting on the bleachers while my butt slowly goes numb. But I don’t mind doing that. I do, however, dislike being told that I HAVE to support my kids’ participation in Church-sponsored activities that are poorly planned and/or poorly led. From what I’ve seen Cub Scouts falls into that category – so do a lot of activities for youth 12+. Joni wrote:I do, however, dislike being told that I HAVE to support my kids’ participation in Church-sponsored activities that are poorly planned and/or poorly led.
I’ve never seen a “Patrol Method” work in scouting. Most people don’t even know what that means, but it is a core. Its not well led.
Rob4Hope wrote:I’ve never seen a “Patrol Method” work in scouting. Most people don’t even know what that means, but it is a core. Its not well led.
Youth-led and church do not go together well.
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