Church and changing the relationship with scouting ..

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Anyone?….

whats the latest? Any rumblings going on that have truth behind them?

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Scout leaders are saying 2017 will be a year without BSA. It is not a secret, the youth are told to keep that timeline in mind as they set goals for advancements.

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This is a good change.

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Orson wrote:

Scout leaders are saying 2017 will be a year without BSA. It is not a secret, the youth are told to keep that timeline in mind as they set goals for advancements.

YOWZERS!!!!!

This is a pretty big move if it happens.

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Orson wrote:

Scout leaders are saying 2017 will be a year without BSA. It is not a secret, the youth are told to keep that timeline in mind as they set goals for advancements.

YOWZERS!!!!!

This is a pretty big move if it happens.

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Great — let’s hope the new program gets rid of the expense. I wonder what BSA thinks of all this. They must’ve known the implications of their holding the vote at a time when the LDS leaders were away. What would have propelled BSA into this decision when they have so much to lose in alientating the LDS church? Stricty equity-related principle? Rarely do I see secular organizations act soley on the basis of that. Even our own church has trouble acting solely on principle when it hurts the organization…I’m wondering what would prompt BSA to make such a decision, without LDS representation, knowing probably full well the LDS church would break ties with BSA?

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SilentDawning wrote:

Great — let’s hope the new program gets rid of the expense. I wonder what BSA thinks of all this. They must’ve known the implications of their holding the vote at a time when the LDS leaders were away. What would have propelled BSA into this decision when they have so much to lose in alientating the LDS church? Stricty equity-related principle? Rarely do I see secular organizations act soley on the basis of that. Even our own church has trouble acting solely on principle when it hurts the organization…I’m wondering what would prompt BSA to make such a decision, without LDS representation, knowing probably full well the LDS church would break ties with BSA?

Like so many things, from what I have read it isn’t quite so simple.

The head of the BSA has said that he thought the change was inevitable and tons of cash could be thrown at lawyers to fight the current and future lawsuits to no avail.

I also understand that even though some LDS leaders were away, the leaders could have joined a call and cast their vote. It seems ODD that the BSA would be so backhanded unless the LDS church already told them they would pull out.

But even then I understand also that the % of LDS on the voting board wouldn’t have changed the outcome even if they had all be there.

I can’t say I know any of the above is “100% factual” and I admit I lean a bit towards liking scouts. It isn’t for everyone and the church runs on average a very sub-par program that has key parts missing (fundraising restrictions and senior boy led troop for two big ones) and at best they are at par with most other troops. Other troops only have the boys that WANT to be there and a few pushed by parents – a reverse of what the typical LDS troop has. (especially the higher the age).

BTW- where did “LDS Scoutmaster” go? I have not seen him in a while. Wouldn’t mind hearing his take on this.

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And then on my lunch break I read this from the church

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-to-go-forward-with-scouting-program” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-to-go-forward-with-scouting-program

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LookingHard wrote:

And then on my lunch break I read this from the church

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-to-go-forward-with-scouting-program” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-to-go-forward-with-scouting-program

I guess that settles that. Do you think BSA called our bluff?

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LookingHard wrote:

And then on my lunch break I read this from the church

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-to-go-forward-with-scouting-program” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-to-go-forward-with-scouting-program

This gives me the impression that the BSA is here for the long haul. Interesting. So, where did the 2017 number come from spoken of above? Hearsay?

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The article ends with the statement that the church is still evaluating how it best serve the needs of a worldwide population of boys. Sure, they said they will renew their charters, but the last few lines imply the long-term relationship with BSA is still under review. So, I don’t think that ends it.

I thought they were right to acknowledge BSA allows each religious organization to appoint leaders according to their own values. That to me, is fair to the BSA and fair to the church.

The question still remains why the BSA took such as stance when it risked their relationship with the church. The prospect of lawsuits from non-Church entities/claimants may be a valid point, but the fact they are willing to change policy in the face of such lawsuits doesn’t show any kind of value-based resolve toward who is a leader, and who isn’t. Seems to me BSA might have thought the church would still be able to run its BSA program as planned. and didn’t think this was a huge affront to LDS values as a result. Plus, as a secular organization, I think they likely think a lot like the rest of society which embraces same sex equality.

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http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-to-go-forward-with-scouting-program” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-to-go-forward-with-scouting-program

I know it’s already on the thread and I couldn’t give a hang about if we stay or go – except that I believe the top quorum is divided and this makes me smile from ear to ear. On so many levels.

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DarkJedi wrote:

LookingHard wrote:

And then on my lunch break I read this from the church

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-to-go-forward-with-scouting-program” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-to-go-forward-with-scouting-program

I guess that settles that. Do you think BSA called our bluff?

Well given that I talked probably more authoritative in my last post, I will wimp out and say, “I have no idea.”

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mom3 wrote:

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-to-go-forward-with-scouting-program” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-to-go-forward-with-scouting-program

I know it’s already on the thread and I couldn’t give a hang about if we stay or go – except that I believe the top quorum is divided and this makes me smile from ear to ear. On so many levels.

I don’t know that the Q15 (er Q12 since they’re a bit short at the moment) is divided on this actually. Most of them are squarely behind Scouting as far as I can tell and most are recipients of high BSA awards. Some of them are on that board that met without some of them (it is worth pointing out that not all of them were absent from that meeting and the ones there voted against the BSA proposal). I believe Otterson – they don;t say anything unless they’re united. Since they’re saying something we have to assume they have reached a consensus.

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Rob4Hope wrote:

LookingHard wrote:

And then on my lunch break I read this from the church

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-to-go-forward-with-scouting-program” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-to-go-forward-with-scouting-program

This gives me the impression that the BSA is here for the long haul. Interesting. So, where did the 2017 number come from spoken of above? Hearsay?

Obviously it was hearsay, but it came to me as common knowledge.

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