churchistrue

[Anonymous]

I’m not sure where we left this. I’ll just note that all of his posts of late are essentially “here is my blog on ‘x'” along with some reiterated points and maybe asking for discussion. I get that we allow Bill to do it, but I also don’t think we want everybody who has a blog constantly doing it (and Bill doesn’t do it as frequently).

[Anonymous]

I think we left it as it seemed OK as long as it was in line with our mission, as we often post W&T, BCC, Ray posts his blog post links and we have Bill that does it.

I guess we should periodically check his blogs are Kosher to allow the links, but as long as he is participating in discussion and it is relevant to our mission, we’re OK with it.

That was my understanding.

[Anonymous]

I did have a weird on the other day because his name came across my face book feed with a friend request. I can’t trace how it happened. I am barely on face book and only with Bill Reel, and even there I don’t post so it kind of freaked me out. I chose not to accept the friendship.

[Anonymous]

So I don’t get out much to the wider bloggernacle but lately I have read some stuff on W&T and BCC and have seen comments from churchistrue that have nothing to do with his blog. This makes me believe that he is more than just a guy trying to promote his blog and validates (in my mind) our decision to give him some space to prove his intentions.

[Anonymous]

In the Women and the Priesthood thread (I temporarily locked) at the end of Churchistrue’s post is this comment:

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This question is not gonna get answered. The Progmo’s understand this. So I have a serious question for Progmo’s who keep making a big deal about it. Hawkgirl, I’m looking at you. Why do you bring this up demanding answers. Are you trying to embarrass the church? You know this is not going to get answered…

I’m uncomfortable with calling out Hawkgrrrl like this. I don’t think it’s something we normally do or want to encourage. Thoughts?

[Anonymous]

I felt that whole post was out of character for both churchistrue and the site, not just the jab at the end.

There are implications that they are right and others are wrong. Some teachings that many hold dear are referred to as insane and crazy. There’s the assertion that Monson can’t receive revelation. I missed it, where did hawkgrrrl demand an answer?

I think the thread needs to remain open because it would be a shame to close down discussion on an important topic like the two new essays. I know how I’d reply to that post but I’m concerned that addressing the points made would only draw attention to the post and take attention away from the actual thread topic. I’m conflicted, I think some of those points merit being addressed.

I think an admin note may be in order.

[Anonymous]

or we could delete the offending comments without commentary except in a PM.

I don’t have time for the PM, but I will look at the comments.

Update:

I deleted the final two paragraphs of his comment and DJ’s note about locking it. It now is fixed.

Good call DJ.

[Anonymous]

Quote:

I’m asking for help promoting this. If you think this article would be helpful to the LDS community, please share on social media, make links from your blogs or websites, etc. Thanks.

This most recent post is in line with the initial concerns expressed in this thread. “Here’s a link to my blog, thoughts?” is one thing. “Spread the word.” is another thing entirely.

I was going to say something but I’m struggling to find a rule I can point to. I searched in the Rules and Policies forum but came up empty. I looked at the text that is agreed to when registering with the site but didn’t see anything there either. Is this an unwritten rule or did I miss it? Either way it sounds like Ray already gave him a warning on this one.

[Anonymous]

I agree the whole thing is out of character for him considering most of his comments relate to his own blog – which actually seems on the “progressive” side. It sounded more like an rcronk post.

I don’t know that there’s a specific rule, either, Nibbler, which is why I did it the way I did. There is an “unwritten order of things.” 😈 However, and we do practice a certain decorum on the forum.

What Ray did is what I wanted to do, but I wanted to be sure I wasn’t overreacting.

[Anonymous]

Thanks everyone. The essays are super sensitive for me right now. I appreciate you watching the comments and conduct.

My heart has a thousand things it would like to say but the words just can’t come out now. I think keeping the thread open is important and I think remembering the mission of the site is paramount, especially in light of the essays. We’ve kept it civil and I haven’t seen online wars anywhere else, but I sense strain, hurt, yearning and conflict at the same time. Having a place to talk will help or even just reading others thoughts.

P.S. I agree with Nibbler Church is true is advertising a bit and didn’t we discuss moving DBMormon’s thread to media section?

Hugs to you all.

[Anonymous]

I put out several feelers yesterday and saw churchistrue’s CES letter article was shared in many places. He may have been trying to keep up with responding to comments in too many places.

He didn’t get the reception he was expecting on one particular site and things got a little ugly. He responded to some criticism with personal attacks. He may have carried that mood over to StayLDS when he wrote the post that was later edited by Ray.

Again, it may have been a tough day for him. One spent defending his position from critics from all the many places where he posted his article. That may account for the out of character post.

That said I did find the personal attacks very surprising. They weren’t subtle. He hasn’t done that here so I’ll try not to color my StayLDS impression of him with posts from other sites.

[Anonymous]

thanks nibbler.

I find that interesting.

Sounds like he might have had some pre-conceived notions that the ideas that felt warm and fuzzy to him, a light that went off in his head, would be something widely accepted as a universal way to think about it, because it is a new thing to him and his journey. It’s all been said before.

He is learning.

[Anonymous]

I sent churchistrue a PM yesterday before I read the newer posts on this thread.

churchistrue wrote:

Roy wrote:

Hi churchistrue.

I noticed your posting on heavenly mother last night and was slightly taken aback by your reference to progmo and calling out Hawkgrrrl specifically.

I assume that “progmo” means progressive Mormon and I also assume that it is not meant disparagingly. Still, I appreciate that you changed your post already.

I do agree with you that Heavenly Mother has some interesting implications and somewhat breaks down when you think about it too closely (just like the concept of eternal families tend to break down when you get to specific family circumstances.) We tend to give Catholics a bad rap for sanctifying Mary and then we go and invent a female deity seemingly out of nowhere – interesting to say the least.

Sincerely,

Roy

I meant it playfully. I assume we all understand the term progmo and we all self identify that way, so nothing meant by that. I wanted to hear some answers to my question, and I was in a playful mood, so I threw it out there in that tone that you might have misunderstood as being aggressive. I’ll be more careful in the future. Also, I didn’t edit it. A moderator might have.

I responded that it can be almost impossible to distinguish good natured ribbing from personal attacks in print. Also that StayLDS has a fairly wide variety of participants. We have some more traditionally believing Mormons either in faith crisis or doing apologetics. We have even had a long term participant that leaned to the fundamentalist polygamy side of the spectrum. Therefore it can be a mistake to assume what viewpoint will be held by participants here.

I take him at his word that he did not mean to convey offense.

[Anonymous]

thans Roy. That was good.

[Anonymous]

Based on OON’s PM to us all…any new concerns from anyone that any action should be taken? I don’t see anything has changed much and I’m not too concerned with it. Others?

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