Coffee in our times

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Heber13 wrote:

Roadrunner wrote:

DarkJedi wrote:

It is worth pointing out here that I have never been asked if I drink coffee, tea, or alcohol in a TR interview. I have only been asked if I live the WoW. The garment question actually bugs me a lot more because it does go beyond the “do you wear the garment….:

Same. However I believe missionaries ask about WoW specifics like coffee, tea in baptism interviews.

The AP in my mission also asked me if I ate coffee cake…because apparently to him, we should be more faithful by avoiding all appearances of evil, and that included cake named after the evil elixir. I laughed at him (I really did think he was joking…but he wasn’t…he was just dumb).

That’s funny. I suppose rum cake would be downright satanic. I’ve never tried coffee but I think I would like it because I like coffee ice cream which drives my dear wife crazy. However, it’s not a “hot drink” so I think I’m ok.

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Roadrunner wrote:

I suppose rum cake would be downright satanic.

and Tiramisu…cake soaked in coffee AND liqueur…it just doesn’t get more evil than that.

(pssst…it’s yummy)

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nibbler wrote:

In some ways I see making a list of a few dozen types of teas, going one by one, and asking the lord permission for each a way that we seek to be commanded in all things. I can imagine god sitting peacefully on a cloud, people coming up and starting to bug him, “Can we drink black tea? Can we drink green tea? White tea? Oolong Tea? Matcha? Hibiscus? Rooibos? Green Rooibos? Pu-erh? Decaffeinated? …” God’s brow furrows a little more with each question until he says, “You know what. NO TEAS. No tea for you.” and then as soon as the room has cleared god lets out a sigh of relief and takes a dainty gulp from his earl gray.

😆 I can see it, too.

nibbler wrote:

This addresses the part where I wonder whether the issue is that we want to be commanded in all things, want to command in all things, or a little of each.

I agree. I do think we have created this culture for ourselves and generation after generation has perpetuated it.

nibbler wrote:

But seriously, going to a leader for every particular feels like it goes against the goal of personal progress. Are we not meant to wean ourselves from needing a leader to tell us the will of god, to begin to walk in our own confidence before the lord?

I think this is something that explains some of my major problems with Church right now. I used to be someone who found a lot of joy out of believing that the Church Presidency was God’s direct mouth piece–that in this crazy world I had at least one thing I could count on to never give me false advice. My faith paradigm has changed, and with that, I’ve become wary of the increasing message of “follow the Brethren” or “align your views with God’s eternal laws.” Wouldn’t a key part of eternal progression mean being able to come to righteous conclusions on our own instead of just getting in line? The most important part of education is learning how to think critically, not being told how to repeat back answers or just believing whatever your teacher–even a great one—says. Of course, people can still argue that what the church gives us are the “essentials” and that God lets us work things out on our own, but still.

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well said, university.

university wrote:

I used to be someone who found a lot of joy out of believing that the Church Presidency was God’s direct mouth piece–that in this crazy world I had at least one thing I could count on to never give me false advice.

It does seem to change things once that paradigm is shattered, which is part of the journey. And then…when the next thing they do is start preaching strict adherence to sabbath day activities and doubling down on commitment to the church…it all looks very different in the new light you find yourself in.

I think the path I have found is to start accepting some things won’t likely change, and some are still providing others with that “joy out of believing” that you used to have.

I just have to prioritize things that I feel are important, and let go of the rest. I find different motivators. I take things with a grain of salt.

This is just one thing that doesn’t make sense to me, and so it becomes low on the totem pole. I can understand if others still hold it up as a huge sign of devotion to God, but at some point, old theories based on 1800 medical knowledge should be put to bed, like the theory of evolution or the threat of communism. They just aren’t today’s cup of tea for what matters in our world today. It is just hard to do that when prophets in the past took a definitive line in the sand, and called it revelation (see the other thread about Elder Nelson).

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