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As an initial change, I like this one – especially if it leads to the same thing for the male meeting. Sometimes, we fail to appreciate small changes in our desire to see bigger ones. Thanks for the added info, mackay11.
Reflexzero wrote:I think the better solution would be to get rid of all the special meetings and just improve the content of the remaining 8 hours of conference. Certainly that must be ample time.
I agree.
I’d like to hear something earth-shattering at GC.
I’d like to hear some true prophetic vision.
I’d also like to hear/see someone pounding the podium calling people to repentance.
But…I wanted to add that allowing members, 8+ is so odd to me for a few reasons…
1. If I am “escaping” my family to be with the women of RS, I don’t want rowdy 8yos behind me.
2. I am starting to view baptism as “necessary” but more as a sign of commitment and not as an essential washing away of sins (since 8yos “cant’ sin anyway)…I hate thinking that drawing another line at 8 is a weird way of drawing a line between the “haves” and the “have nots”. Surely the rule of 8/member of the church would be invisible if a nonmember were to attend.
Sorry if I didn’t articulate #2 very well. I just can’t imagine saying to my 7yo, no…you can’t go to the church meeting…YOU aren’t a member of the church yet!
If 8yos can go b/c they are members of the church, then we better start holding fast to the rule that NO one should take the sacrament unless they are members of the church. Sorry to all toddlers out there who love the bread and water…YOU aren’t members of the church.
AND… (lol) How many 6yos really don’t like going to church on Sunday? Don’t let them get word of this “rule” … I can see a lot of “But, MOM…I don’t need to go to church…I’m not a member yet!”
ha!
I say that the age of 8 is an awkward age to pick. Leave it as 12 and up if we have to have a separate meeting. AND…let some women speak at the priesthood session.
So odd.
QuestionAbound wrote:I’d like to hear some true prophetic vision.
I’d also like to hear/see someone pounding the podium calling people to repentance.
I know sometimes we get a hard time for not having more revelations but I’m glad we don’t – I can just imagine the push to get food storage because a GA has a prophecy of impending calamity. I wouldn’t like the prophecy itself but I would really have trouble with the extremes some of the membership would take it to.
I also wouldn’t like a fire and brimstone call to repentance either …unless maybe it was a call to repentance for our smug and sometime pharisaical judgments.
I think we have been hearing prophetic vision for a number of years now, whenever Pres. Uchtdorf stands and starts to talk. Seriously, I think that man has prophetic vision oozing out of his pores. Old-Timer wrote:I think we have been hearing prophetic vision for a number of years now, whenever Pres. Uchtdorf stands and starts to talk. Seriously, I think that man has prophetic vision oozing out of his pores.
I’ve been largely out of the loop of GC … what are some of his most recent visions?
This is the talk he gave in the Saturday morning session last month: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2013/10/come-join-with-us?lang=eng Have to say I enjoyed reading the post about this at BCC. http://bycommonconsent.com/2013/11/06/more-meetings-more-equal/#more-47374 “For heaven’s sake,
won’t someone think of the children?” 😆 This is going to sound a bit snarky, but I don’t mean it to be. I mean it to be only a factual observation that interests me as a Social Studies teacher by training: It is interesting to listen to women who want the same authority as men complain about having to attend one more meeting each year.
Old-Timer wrote:This is going to sound a bit snarky, but I don’t mean it to be. I mean it to be only a factual observation that interests me as a Social Studies teacher by training:
It is interesting to listen to women who want the same authority as men complain about having to attend one more meeting each year.
It seems like the BCC author isn’t complaining about the meeting, just the 8-11 year-olds. And for their sakes, not because she was determined to read negative messages into their inclusion. She said that overall she was happy to be meeting YW and RS together. Personally I’m looking forward to going with my teenagers. But I would probably leave my eight year-olds home if I had any.
Old-Timer wrote:This is going to sound a bit snarky, but I don’t mean it to be. I mean it to be only a factual observation that interests me as a Social Studies teacher by training:
It is interesting to listen to women who want the same authority as men complain about having to attend one more meeting each year.
Yep, that sounds pretty snarky
I didn’t say it was the ONLY complaint, but it absolutely was one of them that was mentioned a lot. I just find that interesting. Old-Timer wrote:I didn’t say it was the ONLY complaint,
but it absolutely was one of them that was mentioned a lot. I just find that interesting. At the BCC post and comments? I’m really not seeing it. The author says “yee-freaking-haw” but then goes on, I think, to make perfectly clear that she’s happy to see the change for RS/YW. I don’t see a lot of complaining
about it being an extra meetingin the comments that are posted at this present second. (Truth be told, a substantial number of women are already attending both meetings because they have YW connections/responsibilities.) The one obvious exception is a comment from “OD”, quoting his wife. She says: “So who in the purple pants brigade do I have to thank for creating yet another meeting that I have to attend….?” I doubt she has been agitating for ordination. And neither have I, but I’m a little sensitive about how OW women are characterized. My sister was in SLC General Conference weekend. I wouldn’t do what she did, but she’s the hardest-working person I know. I’ve been dismayed to see so many women very content to include my sister – they don’t know her – in the “purple pants brigade” and dismiss her out of hand. It’s what we
tryto avoid here. So, “OD”‘s wife got to me, and I’m taking it out on you.
:crazy: Maybe I am conflating what I read in that thread with what I’ve read on a few Facebook threads. I’m getting old, so that wouldn’t surprise me at all. 😳 Ray IS just being snarky. Glad you are taking your turn and lumps with grace.
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