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I moderated a short clip of “???”‘s content, the part describing specific sexual acts. Just wanted to let everyone know. The rest I think is fine. It is a very important topic, and I hope our site can also work on reconciliation material for our SSA brothers and sisters. I’ll send a short not the ??? letting them know what I did, and to reaffirm that they are welcome at the site. It is ok to talk about SSA and mormonism.
I agree with both statements – that we do need to moderate some things carefully and that we do need to try to serve all. I would love to have a group of gay members who use this site constructively to stay in the church. Yeah, I was thinking it would be cool if we could find a really spiritual, gay, mormon “mentor” that would be willing to participate regularly here. I was really impressed with John Gustav-Wrathall, someone who recently posted an intro at OM. The spirit hit me like a ton of bricks when I was reading his story. I confess being suprised because I still have mixed feelings and thoughts about the issue at times. I have a TON of compassion for the situation SSA people are in. The topic doesn’t bother me at all. But… Another part of me really has a hard time seeing a path to this enlightened future where homosexuality isn’t a “sin” anymore. I am loathe to bring it up in the DAMU, but seriously. How do you get all the world’s religions, with their thousands of years of prohibition against this, to just change something so fundamental in their theology as the morals of reproductive biology? Why has it never been embraced, in all of past human history, as just another totally “normal” option? This nags at me … and denies me peace of mind about the topic.
Meh! that’s my problem to deal with. Anyway, I am glad we are willing to widen the stakes and broaden the tent to include these brothers and sisters in our community. Loving another person should never be shocking. It is the way it is; therefore, I accept that God has a meaning and purpose in it. I can accept if people feel SSA is their path in life, and they receive their own confirmation about it through the Spirit (whatever they decide to do with it). I currently see it as a deviation from a standard. I deviate from plenty of standards, so I can’t say anything.
fwiw, valoel, I also see it as a deviation from a standard – and I can see how it would be classified as either sin OR transgression. That’s a critical distinction for me. I have no problem philosophically advocating for an embrace of celibacy for homosexual members, since that’s what we ask of our single, heterosexual siblings – as long as the eternal outcome is equal for both. Otoh, I also have no problem accepting the current temple wording for the Law of Chastity if gay marriage becomes the norm – allowing committed, faithful, monogamous gay married members to attend the temple, even if they can’t have that marriage sealed in the temple. I am opposed to anal sex regardless of sexual orientation, so that could be an issue for some, but I am fine with pretty much anything else within a gay relationship. Given my view of sexual activity in the afterlife, I even could accept the sealing of gay couples in the temple – but I believe that would take 1978-esque revelation to happen.
The biggest issue for me right now is the current double standard associated with how “sexual activity” is viewed. Imo, whatever is allowed for straight members should be allowed for gay members, including holding hands, kissing, etc.
Quote:I was really impressed with John Gustav-Wrathall, someone who recently posted an intro at OM.
Contact him and see if he is willing to participate here.
Quote:Why has it never been embraced, in all of past human history, as just another totally “normal” option? This nags at me … and denies me peace of mind about the topic.
I feel similarly. I don’t have any disgust toward it in the slightest, only compassion. Yet, even cultures where it has been openly acknowledged and not exactly stigmatized (such as ancient Greece), it was never considered marriage-equivalent. That was never suggested really until now throughout human history, and I wonder why it was not. Why was it acceptable behavior, but never considered on par, and that solution is not acceptable in our current society? Anyway, I have nothing but sympathy, although I confess that the majority of my gay friends are not LDS and are not particularly interested in getting married (they certainly couldn’t care less about the church’s views on the matter), although they don’t want to be second class citizens either. But I’ve also always worked in environments where discrimination is not tolerated and benefits are extended equally to domestic partners by my employer.
I agree with the suggestion of inviting Gustav. I too was blown away by his testimony and experiences.
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