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Ok this is a difficult topic to deal with and its something that I have been asked, and cant find an answer to I need to know something about what happens in regards to the unborn
I am not talking about abortion
what happens if a woman miscarries – is the baby in the womb united with a spirit – and if so would that baby be reunited with the parents in “Heaven”
That is a tough question. It is a sensitive issue. What happens? I don’t know for sure. At what point exactly is a spirit united with a body? It happens, but exactly when is hard to say. I tend to doubt it is an exact stage of development that is the same for all cases. One of Joseph Smith’s last doctrinal sermons was called “The King Follett Sermon.” JS gave this sermon at a funeral service for a man named King Follett. It contains his most advanced views on the afterlife and salvation, and was delivered a few months before he was killed. You can read it here:
http://mldb.byu.edu/follett.htm Joseph claimed that children are reunited with their parents and raised to maturity in the afterlife. It is a nice thought and very comforting. I believe we see people and interact with people we love. That I feel is true. If nothing else, I prefer our views to those of some other Christian denominations — most notably the idea that unbaptised infants float around in a hazy semi-hell, state of “limbo” for all eternity.
I sometimes wonder about the possibility of reincarnation to be honest.
wow … freaking BYU! 👿 I went to check my link to find the text about infants dying. BYU butchered the King Follett Discourse on their site and simply clipped out controversial stuff from the original speech. LOL, give me a break.
I guess you can only get the real speech, an important part of our real history, from anti-mormons now. grrrrrrr
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/sermons_talks_interviews/kingfolletsermon.htm “A question may be asked—”Will mothers have their children in eternity?” Yes! Yes! Mothers, you shall have your children; for they shall have eternal life, for their debt is paid. There is no damnation awaiting them for they are in the spirit. But as the child dies, so shall it rise from the dead, and be for ever living in the learning of God. It will never grow [in the grave]; it will still be the child, in the same precise form [when it rises] as it appeared before it died out of its mother’s arms, but possessing all the intelligence of a God. Children dwell in the mansions of glory and exercise power, but appear in the same form as when on earth. Eternity is full of thrones, upon which dwell thousands of children, reigning on thrones of glory, with not one cubit added to their stature.”
Now that I have quoted this particular part of the speech, let me remind everyone that this was
*NOT*accepted as official Church doctrine. It is a classic example of a Church leader contemplating things out loud, and was JS’s opinion probably in the moment. We have no idea whatsoever what happens in the case of miscarriage, and we have no official statements regarding it. My oldest sister was not miscarried; she was stillborn – died right before delivery. My parents named her and believe she will be with us in the hereafter, but we have no official assurance of that. We don’t know. Everything that has been said about children has been said about live-birth children. We know nothing about miscarriages, so we are left to our own hope. That might not be comforting, but I prefer it that way, since I believe it would take an official declaration of when the spirit enters the body to create an official statement about miscarried fetuses – and I don’t want that type of official declaration. I REALLY don’t want that.
magicmusician wrote:Ok this is a difficult topic to deal with and its something that I have been asked, and cant find an answer to
I need to know something about what happens in regards to the unborn
I am not talking about abortion
what happens if a woman miscarries – is the baby in the womb united with a spirit – and if so would that baby be reunited with the parents in “Heaven”
Hi, MM.
I’m new here. I was reading on this topic, and found this: (It’s from Gramps)
http://www.askgramps.org/raising-children-who-die/ Quote:President Joseph F. Smith, the sixth President of the Church, reported: “Joseph Smith taught the doctrine that the infant child that was laid away in death would come up in the resuurection as a child; and, pointing to the mother of a lifeless child, he said to her: ‘You will have the joy, the pleasure and satisfaction of nurturing this child, after its resurrection, until it reaches the full stature of its spirit.’ …
“In 1854, I met with my aunt [Agnes Smith], the wife of my uncle Don Carlos Smith, who was the mother of that little girl [Sophronia] that Joseph Smith, the Prophet, was speaking about, when he told the mother that she should have the joy, the pleasure, and the satisfaction of rearing that child, after the resurrection, until it reached the full stature of its spirit; and that it would be a far greater joy than she could possibly have in mortality, becuse she would be free from the sorrow and fear and disabilities of mortal life. I met that widow, the mother of that child, and she told me this circumstance and bore testimony to me that this was what the Prophet Joseph Smith said when he was speaking at the funeral of her little daughter.”
These quotes appeared in the Improvement Era, May 1918 on page 571. It is quoted in the instruction manual, The Teachings of the Presidents of the Church, Joseph Smith, currently being used in the Melchizedek Quorums. Also in this manual on page 178 it states that Mary Isabella Horne and Leonora Cannon Taylor each lost a young child in death. Sister Horne recalled that the Prophet Joseph Smith gave the two sisters these words of comfort: “He told us that we should receive those children in the morning of the resurrection just as we laid them down, in purity and innocence, and we should nourish and care for them as their mothers. He said that children would be raised in the resurrection just as they were laid down, and that they would obtain all the inteligence necessary to occupy thrones, principalities and powers.” This is quoted form the History of the Church, volume 4, page 556.
Elder Bruce R. McConkie in Mormon Doctrine indicated that to us the morning of the first resurrection, the resurrection of the just, will come with the return of our Lord and the commencement of his millennial reign.
Gramps
Personally, It makes sense to me, that your children are your children whether or not they made it out of the womb. I think there will be child-bearing during the Millennium too. Just not the sorrow that is associated with it now.
My 2 cents.
wow a lot of insight here
thanks a lot people really appreciate it
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