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Sheldon wrote:
Short of pulling out a book on Boolean logic , Iām not sure either answer tells me anything about the book!
That is certainly what I taught as a missionary.However, there are other ways. Many people never get a decipherable answer Yes or No.
I did…when I was 18 in the dorms of BYU. However, I would say that answer has not been as powerful to sustain my faith in it as has the study of the pages and applying the teachings to my life.
I would say you can find out if it is true by following its teachings.
Quote:1 Ne 2:15 And my father dwelt in a tent.
We’ll all live in tents one day….oh wait, wait…that was another thread.
š Heber13 wrote:Seeing that it is most likely you will never be shown the plates…do you feel you can ever appreciate the book of mormon as much as you appreciate the golden plates?
I appreciate the Book of Mormon just fine I think and have read it many times and a lot about those involved in the history of making it. Right now, I believe it is a creative work of fiction.
Heber13 wrote:One you have in your possession…the other you never will. Which is more important to you?
I think the truth is the most important thing. I would be happy with that.
Heber13 wrote:Do you have any strategies on how to deal with your conundrum…or are you just wanting to debate with me whether I appreciate the gold plates or not the same way you do?
I really don’t have a conundrum. I believe the BofM is fiction. I would be happy to change my view once some actual facts are presented to change it.
There are a few points that make me believe that the plates (and other items) were spiritual in nature. 1) They were returned to a (magical?) cave in the hill that contained piles of records, the sword of laban, and other artifacts.
2) They were translated at least in some instances without any physical presence.
3) Some wording and experiences of the witnesses lead me to believe that they beheld with “spiritual eyes.”
4) Another woman was shown the plates in a clearly visionary experience.
The principle rebuttal to this is the description of Emma Smith that she felt the plates through the covering and that they flutterred with a metalic sound. I personally explain away Emma’s statement as being of late date when she was trying to preserve her late husbands legacy into the RLDS church, but my own bias may be at work here.
To bring this back to the OP – If i were to see a vision of the plates, it might have great personal meaning to me and mine but I don’t believe that it would mean anything to the world at large.
Not sure what any of this has to do with dinosaur bones. I like dinosaur bones myself – they tend to stir the imagination and instill a sense of wonder and awe.
Tobin wrote:I don’t think they’ve thought it through and I think that is the nature of the problem here.
Keep in mind that just because someone doesn’t see it the same way you do, it’s not necessarily because they haven’t thought about it as hard as you have. For example, I don’t believe that either God or aliens are influencing us here on earth. So, no matter how much time I spend thinking about the GP, you and I will come to different conclusions. When it comes to religion/spirituality, each of us has our own beliefs. Nobody holds the position of being more informed. It’s all opinion.On Own Now wrote:Tobin wrote:I don’t think they’ve thought it through and I think that is the nature of the problem here.
Keep in mind that just because someone doesn’t see it the same way you do, it’s not necessarily because they haven’t thought about it as hard as you have. For example, I don’t believe that either God or aliens are influencing us here on earth. So, no matter how much time I spend thinking about the GP, you and I will come to different conclusions. When it comes to religion/spirituality, each of us has our own beliefs. Nobody holds the position of being more informed. It’s all opinion.Well, I disagree. I think the existence of these gold plates establishes the presence of God (or as I view them advanced intelligent alien life) interfering in our world. It really is aliens-visiting-the-UN-and-appearing-on-TV type of thing. Certainly, you could deny that if it happened. However, I believe that would only mean you were in unreasonable denial of the facts. I believe the gold plates are that significant.
Quote:Certainly, you could deny that if it happened. However, I believe it that only would mean you were in unreasonable denial of the facts.
This thread is being closed temporarily while the admins discuss it. I have said multiple times that telling other people how wrong they are – and that they would agree if they only were willing to open their eyes and think harder – simply isn’t in line with the mission of this site, and this is the third time it’s happened in this thread. We will open it if the admins agree to do so; otherwise, it will remain closed.
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