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I just spent Thanksgiving week at home, without the internet, watching a crap load of History Channel. One of the programs my 10 year old and I watched for hours is, Ancient Aliens. I have often gotten in trouble about this kind of stuff, like when I was a teenager and made the statement at the dinner table that Jonah did not get swallowed by a fish — but probably got picked up by a submarine. I was not prepared for the reaction I got. Sh*t hit the fan that night I tell ya.
😮 ) Or the time about ten years ago when I really “came out of the closet” as a NOM and told my family in a casual conversation that Jesus didn’t actually ascend into heaven, he merely put on his jet-pack and blasted off. (Oh that was not a good thing to say at all.
I found NOTHING really that I could disagree with in the series, and, if LDS members really understands the theory of “Mormonism” I doubt they could argue against it either. Of course, my extended family would be extremely insulted by the program and my general theory of God and creation, but really, does an alien god/creation work in “mormon doctrine?”
Here is scenario – just for fun. Feel free to explore the possibilities and have some fun.
1. “God” is part of an ancient alien race, that uses advanced technology and knowledge to manipulate human kind and history.
2. Ancient aliens had a hand in jump starting evolution of our planet — why there is no missing link.
3. Ancient aliens manipulated the DNA of existing creatures (“cro-magnon man”, neanderthals) to create humans. Ancient aliens engineered the first humans on our planet (Simplified for the post obviously)
4. Ancient aliens founded ancient civilizations and taught people “knowledge” and gave them technology for their time.
5. Most of what we teach and believe in regards to “God” – is actually a race of advance aliens who have meddled in earth’s history.
6. Ancient aliens had sex or used other advance fertility technologies to have children with human women. (Jesus, Hercules etc.)
7. Ancient aliens created “religion” as a means to control people’s behavior — for the good of civilization in most cases I believe.
8. Ancient aliens continue to manipulate humans and earths history – for their own purposes.
I expect you have already checked out Von Daniken, but there’s also Kolisimo’s work. Do a websearch for “joseph Smith” + “alien abductee”/contactee – interesting!!! (Sorry not much battery left on laptop!)
p.s. Check out my “ultraterrestrial” thread. The UT hypothesis has certain advantages over the better known ET one.
Just to say it, I absolutely LOVE your sense of humor. I’ve said some similar things in my life – but I was fortunate to be raised by a man who laughed and shot back something else just to make my mother say, “Oh, Curtis!” Good times. As to the theory, in foundational framing, it’s really not that different than the Bible (right down to the passage that talks about how some of the giants in the land came to be) – and it certainly fits the overall theology of Mormonism, if you look at it and can “tweak the wording” a bit.
Thanks Ray – and thanks for the vocab lesson in the other thread. Sam – I looked up your UT post. Not sure how I missed that one on Halloween?
I would argue that that the ET theory that I outlined would “fit” much better with the established religions we currently have on the planet. All religions and religious beliefs could be explained with the ET theory using our own scriptures, legends and data.
Of course, that is what the UT would want me to “think” and “believe?” Right?
👿 Well, this certainly fits the unofficial fundamentalist teachings that Adam and one of his wives were “transplanted” here from another earth and that the current fossil record is from another creation. Interesting stuff. You can’t explore it very far, however, without running smack into the Adam/God doctrine.
It all fits pretty well and is good stuff to contemplate.
Oh boy… Cwald is onto us. Expect a visit in 30 minutes. You will be probed.
Yeah, the UT theory claims that they’re from here, and the whole alien/ghost/angel etc thing is a smokescreen. Their civilization is in decline, either they live underground or under the sea, or up the mountains anyway… Check these out too –
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/giants/giants.htm I always thought Nephite/Nephilim was a bit close for comfort, in form, but the descriptions of them are entirely different.
Sam – I followed your link, browsed around for an hour. Good stuff – and kind of creepy. 
Not the kind of material I will be allowed to discuss in SS anytime soon.
I think it’s interesting that we (Christians) are so quick to condemn and mock theories like the UT and ET and mythologies (religions) of the Greeks, Norse and Romans etc. as impossible, far-fetched and “science fiction” — yet can’t fathom why ANYONE would ever question our wacky doctrines and beliefs. I mean, looking from the outside in, are we really asking people to believe anything less “fantanstic” than the cultures before us were expected to believe? I’m not talking Mormons necessarily – just Christianity in general. It really was not much of a leap for the Romans to give up their “gods” once Christianity was introduced to them really. I love those kind of shows too (Ancient Aliens, etc.). Unfortunately, they’re just about as provable as the magic theories of God. I am totally open to God and Angels being advanced beings. “Aliens” just means “not originating from Earth.” So yeah, God is an “alien” in that regard. It is fascinating how many ancient cultures said that beings came from elsewhere (the gods) and taught astronomy, agriculture, mathematics, engineering, architecture, etc. It would be easy to dismiss as fantasy … but all these ancient cultures
DIDsuddenly develop all these advanced cultural and intellectual innovations. It happened over a very short period of time, too short to explain via normal evolution. And if that weren’t enough to believe, they went and built all these crazy megalithic structures that are still standing. Very mind-bending.
I watch these shows sometimes too; my favorite pieces of evidence they looked at were the Piri Reis map and the airplane/glider models that supposedly represented a fully functional design long before people should have known this. I don’t know why I like these “unexplained mysteries” so much but I’ve always been interested in some of the unrestrained speculation and unusual stories like this. Hard-core skeptics might think paying attention to these ideas is a waste of time until there is more convincing evidence to support them but personally I don’t see the harm in considering every remotely-viable possibility we can imagine before trying to guess which explanation is the most likely. As far as aliens possibly being mistaken for supernatural gods I think this idea makes some sense because if anyone actually had the technology to travel here from other planets in the first place then it would definitely look like they were magic and god-like to most people until fairly recently when our own technology advanced. I don’t really have a problem with the idea of aliens in general; I guess I just have a hard time believing that they would really travel this far and then just hide out in the background rather than just openly take control over the planet. Not that it isn’t possible that aliens might intentionally leave us alone to this extent, but on some of these shows they act like aliens are the only possible explanation for many things we see because they assume that humans supposedly couldn’t possibly have created the pyramids, Stonehenge, etc. on their own with their crude technology. Basically, I don’t think they give all these primitive people enough credit for what they were really capable of figuring out given the time and motivation. In fact, even fairly recently alien buffs were saying crop circles couldn’t possibly have been made by people either but then some hoaxers admitted that they had created many of these formations and showed how they did it.
I liked that show, too. My dad had a copy of Chariots of the Gods on our bookshelf when I was growing up. Frankly, I think all religions have this view of God as a superior alien, whether they know it or not. God does have “advanced technology” in that his ways are higher than ours. For Mormons at least, he comes from another planet. I’m surprised anyone would be affronted by it – it just seems like clever thinking. To me that’s just a desire to discredit anyone we think is saying something different, when they may in fact be saying the same thing using a different framework. cwald wrote:I mean, looking from the outside in, are we really asking people to believe anything less “fantanstic” than the cultures before us were expected to believe?
I don’t think it is so different.Of course, the mormon in me tells me that the only difference is they are wrong, and we’re right!
“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic” – Arthur C. Clarke Heber13 wrote:Of course, the mormon in me tells me that the only difference is they are wrong, and we’re right!
Another great post to nominate for “StayLDS quote of the year.”
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