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April 21, 2018 at 11:10 pm #320402
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GuestI can’t say for sure, and I love what I get from both symbolic and literal interpretations of Christ. I think I’m fine with either option ending up true. I think I get self-conscious in this belief, especially because the LDS Church tends to teach such a literal interpretation, but when I truly think about it, I have no idea. I’m okay with that. I love the implications of physics and reality if it’s true; I love the hope and “at-one-ment” people can create if it’s not.
April 22, 2018 at 12:36 am #320403Anonymous
GuestIlovechrist77 wrote:
Even after having a faith transition, I can still say YES!
I know what you mean, I think. For me itβs
especiallyafter my faith transition. April 22, 2018 at 2:52 am #320404Anonymous
GuestThank you, Ann! :thumbup: April 22, 2018 at 2:44 pm #320405Anonymous
GuestOld Timer wrote:I hope for it and have only the “evidence of things not seen (personally)” provided by others – so I can say I have faith but simply am not certain.
Is
anybodyreally certainof anything? Personally, I almost cringe at the phrase, “I know…” A lot of people won’t admit it, but there is not one of us who doesn’t just walk in faith. April 22, 2018 at 3:09 pm #320406Anonymous
GuestKatzpur wrote:
Is
anybodyreally certainof anything? [/quote] My stock answer is:
Quote:my Grand Children’s love.
To some extent a degree of innocence is required to all issues of faith. Including the question you asked.
April 22, 2018 at 6:49 pm #320407Anonymous
GuestQuote:To some extent a degree of innocence is required to all issues of faith. Including the question you asked.
It is important to hold onto a degree of innocence, if only to remain open to learning things that would not be possible without it.
April 22, 2018 at 8:33 pm #320408Anonymous
GuestMinyan Man wrote:
Katzpur wrote:
Is
anybodyreally certainof anything? My stock answer is:
Quote:my Grand Children’s love.
Well, yeah. I can say that I know I love certain people and that they love me. But I was speaking in terms of “spiritual or religious truths.”
April 22, 2018 at 11:17 pm #320409Anonymous
GuestKatzpur wrote:
Isanybodyreally certainof anything? Personally, I almost cringe at the phrase, “I know…” A lot of people won’t admit it, but there is not one of us who doesn’t just walk in faith.
See my signature.
Lemony Snicket wrote:“Even though there are no ways of knowing for sure, there are ways of knowing for pretty sure.”
April 23, 2018 at 4:20 am #320410Anonymous
GuestKatzpur wrote:
Minyan Man wrote:
Katzpur wrote:
Is
anybodyreally certainof anything? My stock answer is:
Quote:my Grand Children’s love.
Well, yeah. I can say that I know I love certain people and that they love me. But I was speaking in terms of “spiritual or religious truths.”
I think you missed my last sentence
Quote:To some extent a degree of innocence is required to all issues of faith. Including the question you asked.
April 23, 2018 at 4:48 pm #320411Anonymous
GuestKatzpur wrote:
Isanybodyreally certainof anything?
I know I think, therefor I know I am …. I’m not certain about the rest of you all.
April 23, 2018 at 5:00 pm #320412Anonymous
GuestRoy wrote:
Katzpur wrote:
Isanybodyreally certainof anything?
I know I think, therefor I know I am …. I’m not certain about the rest of you all.

I know I think (and I think incomplete and incorrect thoughts), therefore I know I am incomplete and incorrect in my faith narrative regularly. I am certain that the world is not really the way I perceive it (and that I am in good company with the rest of humanity whether they acknowledge it or not)

However, that got me to this point, and potentially to a more enlightened perspective… so… baby steps in a spiritual direction I go
April 23, 2018 at 5:09 pm #320413Anonymous
GuestBeautiful expansion on the thought Amy. April 25, 2018 at 5:10 pm #320414Anonymous
GuestAmyJ wrote:
Roy wrote:
Katzpur wrote:
Isanybodyreally certainof anything?
I know I think, therefor I know I am …. I’m not certain about the rest of you all.

I know I think (and I think incomplete and incorrect thoughts), therefore I know I am incomplete and incorrect in my faith narrative regularly. I am certain that the world is not really the way I perceive it (and that I am in good company with the rest of humanity whether they acknowledge it or not)

However, that got me to this point, and potentially to a more enlightened perspective… so… baby steps in a spiritual direction I go

When I was a teenager, I used to tell my two best friends that all of this wasn’t really happening. I said, “I exist, but right now I’m just dreaming, and you two are just figments of my imagination.” I wasn’t saying it to be mean, but it really set them both off!
π April 25, 2018 at 9:58 pm #320415Anonymous
GuestKatzpur wrote:
When I was a teenager, I used to tell my two best friends that all of this wasn’t really happening. I said, “I exist, but right now I’m just dreaming, and you two are just figments of my imagination.” I wasn’t saying it to be mean, but it really set them both off!π
I’ve had that thought before, and in fact it first occurred to me as a teenager. What if we are all just St. Elsewhere?
April 27, 2018 at 12:03 am #320416Anonymous
GuestDarkJedi wrote:
Katzpur wrote:
When I was a teenager, I used to tell my two best friends that all of this wasn’t really happening. I said, “I exist, but right now I’m just dreaming, and you two are just figments of my imagination.” I wasn’t saying it to be mean, but it really set them both off!π
I’ve had that thought before, and in fact it first occurred to me as a teenager. What if we are all just St. Elsewhere?
Scary thought, huh?
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