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Definite no no on this. They are essentially for minimizing the effects on the surrounding air and room and other people, but still have all the issues of nicotine craving/dependency and also cancer issues. (The vast majority of them DO contain nicotine – why else would anyone smoke them?) They are essentially for getting around smoking bans.
By the way, I think some people are confusing them with inhalers, which are for quitting and are different again. These can be addictive in themselves as can gum and patches.
Your clothes become less smelly, but that’s it.
ps It is personal interpretation. My own interpretation allows for decaffienated coffee/tea (which I don’t drink) and alcohol free beer (which I do) as well as caffeinated soft drinks in moderation. On the other hand, I do exclude mate (very strong) and taurine (energy drinks – VERY BAD FOR YOU), which is a personal choice as both of these could be considered outside WoW.
nibbler wrote:I’m positive that part of it falls under the appearance of evil
umbrella. …but then you have things like postum and o’douls and I
don’t see any official prohibitions on those.
I remember a story about a GA of the church (I can’t remember who it
was) going to a bar because of work obligations. He ordered milk to
avoid the appearance of evil… Water, juice, OJ, soda? Someone might
think it was alcohol and he was trying to maintain a standard. He
didn’t want someone to see him and get the wrong impression so he
ordered milk. No one would confuse milk.
Maybe e cigarettes fall into the same category with his MP.
They could be the perfect tool to help people quit smoking. I see them
as a positive thing.
Does he know about alcoholic milk(shakes)? Or indeed A Clockwork Orange? (All the thugs in that film drink drug laced milk to get tanked up “for a bit of the old ultraviolence”)
SamBee wrote:Does he know about alcoholic milk(shakes)? Or indeed A Clockwork Orange? (All the thugs in that film drink drug laced milk to get tanked up “for a bit of the old ultraviolence”)
I’m guessing that a good mormon chap who was worried about being seen drinking 7up has definitely not watched clockwork orange.
This’d cure ‘im! 
[img]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01797/a-clockwork-orange_1797943i.jpg [/img] Maybe I misunderstood the product being referenced and how it is used. I assumed the question was about “cigarettes” that are used to quit smoking, not something that is used as nothing more than a substitute for traditional cigarettes – a smokeless version of the exact same thing. Old-Timer wrote:Maybe I misunderstood the product being referenced and how it is used. I assumed the question was about “cigarettes” that are used to quit smoking, not something that is used as nothing more than a substitute for traditional cigarettes – a smokeless version of the exact same thing.
Maybe I wasn’t clear enough about what I was talking about. Please do understand that basically I only know these things exist and not much else. I do know there are nicotine and non-nicotine versions, however. I assumed that most were of the non-nicotine variety but I may be wrong. Since it was the MP writing in the newsletter and in response to missionary inquiries I guessed he was probably referring to the quitting smoking use of them. Either way, if caffeine is not the reason we don’t drink coffee or tea, then it would follow that nicotine may not be the reason we don’t use tobacco – but then there’s that pesky decaffeinated coffee rule.
In my experience with people who have quit (family and friends) and people who haven’t, there is a nicotine addiction but there’s also habit. The habit part comes into play where, how ever long the person has smoked he/she has always had a cigarette right after dinner (for instance). It’s a habit. They’re used to inhaling the smoke, having something to do with their hands, etc. Driving is another example – for some people, driving and smoking go together. It’s a habit. From my point of view these e cigarettes (mostly the non-nicotine kind here) fill that void.
Old-Timer wrote:Maybe I misunderstood the product being referenced and how it is used. I assumed the question was about “cigarettes” that are used to quit smoking, not something that is used as nothing more than a substitute for traditional cigarettes – a smokeless version of the exact same thing.
Definitely not Ray. There are “eCigs” which are for quitting (generally called inhalers), but most of them are devices to get round legal smoking bans, because they don’t produce the same issues with
passivesmoking. eCigarettes are good for smoking if you have children, but generally, they’re still loaded with nicotine and can cause cancer to the smoker themselves. Does anybody remember the good old nineties when the word “e” used to be used to refer to “ecstasy” or “he” (when people didn’t say the h)?
Quote:I do know there are nicotine and non-nicotine versions, however. I assumed that most were of the non-nicotine variety but I may be wrong.
Definitely not, DJ, most are of the nicotine variety. The ones, for quitting, by the way, look slightly different.
There are three main appearances –
* Ones that look like regular cigarettes and have an LED glowing tip.
* Ones that look like plastic seethru pens.
* White plastic ones that are generally the type people quit with (inhalers)
The key point here is that while eCigarettes are better for your surroundings, and the people next to you, they’re still addictive and carcinogenic in a big way. I don’t think they produce so much tar, but then again, neither do filtered cigarettes anyway. This puts them in a different category from decaff, alcoholfree etc
NPR today reported on the Surgeon General’s new report on tobacco smoking, out today. Surgeon General apparently stated that e cigarettes seem to be a helpful way to reduce or quit smoking. NPR also reported CDC numbers of approximately 2-3 million youth may be addicted to e cigarettes, many of them skipping the traditional cigarettes and going straight to e cigarettes. My husband had quite smoking cold turkey upon his conversion 3 years ago. He had been smoking 2 packs a day for 5 years. After some time without smoking at all, he found it necessary to ease off and started using e-cigs. He has been slowly but surely lowering the nicotine content over time, and is very close to going off of it. However, he says that the craving of having something to simply puff on is a need that may not go away ever. And it may be because of his ptsd and anxiety, that he needs to maintain the habit as a comfort blanket of sorts. As I see it, the use of e-cigs is no more harmful than chewing gum. maybe less so.
Except I’ve never heard reports of chewing gum giving folk oral cancer. SamBee wrote:Except I’ve never heard reports of chewing gum giving folk oral cancer.
There is nicotine gum, so if nicotine is the cause of the cancer I suppose it could happen. If nicotine is the cause of oral cancer and Reki’s husband or others only use the non-nicotine variety of e cigarettes, wouldn’t you point be moot? I really don’t see how the plain water vapor type could cause cancer.
As may be, but the vast majority of eCigarettes DO contain nicotine. They’re to get round smoking bans (although some places ban them too)
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