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The dream team right? Uchtdorf and Givens in the same event. I hope full transcripts will be available later. Elder Uchtdorf said:
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“There will be times when it may appear that things are going badly for the truth of God — that the evidence of the world contradicts God’s utterances. For my part, I have learned to be patient, knowing that in the end things will work out. God’s kingdom will continue to grow. The truth will continue to flourish and spread throughout the earth. Sometimes all it takes is a little faith and a little patience.”
Reported here:http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865598190/Church-History-Symposium-examines-Mormonisms-global-reach.html And here:
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifestyle/57647487-80/church-history-lds-uchtdorf.html.csp I appreciate the way Elder Uchtdorf talks about God’s truth/kingdom etc but often does so without shackling it to the context of Mormonism. Elder Uchtdorf has proven time and again that he’s a universalist, and I like that about him.
E.g.:
Quote:Latter-day Saints believe that all human beings are God’s children and that He loves all of us. He has inspired not only people of the Bible and the Book of Mormon but other people as well to carry out His purposes through all cultures and parts of the world. God inspires not only Latter-day Saints but also founders, teachers, philosophers, and reformers of other Christian and non-Christian religions. The restored gospel holds a positive relationship with other religions. Intolerance is always a sign of weakness. The Latter-day Saint perspective is that of the eleventh article of faith: “We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may” (Articles of Faith 1:11).
http://rsc.byu.edu/archived/global-mormonism-21st-century/20-church-cross-cultural-world I hope there will be full transcripts as well. I had read the SL Tribune article. Not sure where transcripts would come from or appear. The SL Trib also had this quote: Quote:Riess also was struck by Uchtdorf’s caution not to “assume … that our experience encompasses everyone else’s, that our truth is complete and universal.”
That’s . . . stunning.I too am interested in the transcripts, reading the comment section of the Trib reminds me how much agony this process has created. That breaks my heart. Jana Reissue has a post about Pres. Uchtdorf’s talk that mentions his plea for “transparency and openness” about our history – and that he openly advocated a middle way approach. I don’t know yet if he used that term or if Bro. Givens did (or if it was implied), but I am ecstatic to read about it. Jana’s article is at the following link:
Thanks Curtis. From your link
Quote:Isn’t it a remarkable feeling to belong to a Church that not only embraces truth—no matter the source—but that teaches there is much more to come! That God “will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.”
As a result, we are humble about the truth we have. We understand our knowledge is a work in progress, that the leaf we have before us is simply one microscopic snapshot—part of an infinitely vast forest of fascinating knowledge.
Our little world—our small section of experience—may be an accurate and true reflection of our reality. But, it is only an infinitesimal atom in the vast universe of what we eventually will know.
I’m sometimes prone to hyperbole, but it would not be too much of an exaggeration to say that Elder Uchtdorf is probably the number 1 influence in helping me stay LDS.
Here’s as much as I’ve been able to glean from 3 different online sources. I can’t vouch for accuracy, it’s what has been reported to have been said. I also don’t know if it’s in the right order. But it’s still worth reading 
Quote:Elder Uchtdorf just gave a talk at the BYU church history symposium. There’s no full transcript yet, but here are some quotes I’ve been able to find from various reports. Hoping it will end up in the Ensign/on lds.org eventually:
(President Uchtdorf drew his theme from a quoted remark by novelist Michael Crichton: “If you don’t know history, you don’t know anything. You are a leaf that doesn’t know it is part of a tree.”)
“History teaches us not only about the leaves of existence. It also teaches about the twigs, branches, trunks and roots of life. And these lessons are important.”
(…a failing of mortal men and women) “is to assume that our ‘leaf’ is all there is — that our experience encompasses everyone else’s, that our truth is complete and universal.”
(…the gospel of Christ that Mormonism embraces encompasses all truth), “not only the truth of what was and what is but the truth of what can and will be.”
“…we have an almost irresistible desire to assume that the leaf of information we have in our possession is a representation of all there is to know.”
(He related an incident of Frederick the Great, the 18th century king of Prussia. After a military defeat, many of Frederick’s soldiers scattered in confusion. A soldier brought before the king was asked why he had run away.)
“Because things were going badly for your majesty,” (was the reply.)
“Frederick reflected for a moment, then said mildly, ‘I suggest that you wait a week. Then, if things are still going badly, we will quit together,’ ”
“There will be times when it may appear that things are going badly for the truth of God — that the evidence of the world contradicts God’s utterances. For my part, I have learned to be patient, knowing that in the end things will work out. God’s kingdom will continue to grow. The truth will continue to flourish and spread throughout the earth. Sometimes all it takes is a little faith and a little patience.”
“We always need to remember that transparency and openness keep us clear of the negative side effects of secrecy or the cliché of faith-promoting rumors. Jesus taught the Jews, “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” Truth and transparency complement each other.
“Isn’t it a remarkable feeling to belong to a Church that not only embraces truth—no matter the source—but that teaches there is much more to come! That God “will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.”
“As a result, we are humble about the truth we have. We understand our knowledge is a work in progress, that the leaf we have before us is simply one microscopic snapshot—part of an infinitely vast forest of fascinating knowledge.
“Our little world—our small section of experience—may be an accurate and true reflection of our reality. But, it is only an infinitesimal atom in the vast universe of what we eventually will know.”
OK Frederick… I’ll wait another week. I’ll stay a little longer.
I know that everyone listening to a talk gets something different out of it. In light of that which has been mentioned above, the official church release is a little different: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-history-scholars-meet-in-utah-to-discuss-the-global-reach-of-mormonism ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-history-scholars-meet-in-utah-to-discuss-the-global-reach-of-mormonism DarkJedi wrote:I know that everyone listening to a talk gets something different out of it. In light of that which has been mentioned above, the official church release is a little different:
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-history-scholars-meet-in-utah-to-discuss-the-global-reach-of-mormonism ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-history-scholars-meet-in-utah-to-discuss-the-global-reach-of-mormonism I would say completely different
Cadence wrote:DarkJedi wrote:I know that everyone listening to a talk gets something different out of it. In light of that which has been mentioned above, the official church release is a little different:
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-history-scholars-meet-in-utah-to-discuss-the-global-reach-of-mormonism ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-history-scholars-meet-in-utah-to-discuss-the-global-reach-of-mormonism I would say completely different
It had a few of the quotes, but yes, a different take on it. This version is a lot ‘milder.’
I want to see the transcript.
It really isn’t all that different, and it’s a newsroom release not an official version. HUGE difference. I am excited to see the full transcript.
Curtis wrote:It really isn’t all that different, and it’s a newsroom release not an official version. HUGE difference.
I am excited to see the full transcript.
I’ve been exchanging posts in a thread on another board with the person who wrote the DesNews version. He’s working on a longer version for church news.
Don’t hold your breath for a transcript though. Previous Sympsiums (symposia?) have published transcripts about 2 years later and only in printed book/journal form
It was way different in what it left out Scott Lloyd, who wrote the DesNews article, says he’s working on a longer piece for Church News where he’ll have more ‘column inches.’ I’ll look out for it. He has been given the full transcript so his will likely be the best we get, for now. The newsroom article was done by the PR team, while the DesNews team writes the Church News stuff.
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