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So you all know that I left the church and my husband has stayed. He is struggling to connect socially in the ward without a wife to be there with him. I attend SM sometimes in order to support him .. But he is often on his own socially at church. So .. Tomorrow night .. Some of the ward guys are getting together to watch the new Star Trek movie. Steve asked about it. He was told it was “Elders’ Quorum Only” .. And Steve doesn’t qualify because he is a HP.
I understand that they were focused on an EQ event. I get that. But a little kindness of letting him sit through a movie with them would’ve gone a long way. It would’ve been so kind and Christian to include him.
Assholes.
We had those too and I didn’t really see the purpose. If a HP wants to come along then what’s the problem? I always made sure to invite several HP in our ward because there were so many that were young (under 40). They wouldn’t always show up, I think some felt they couldn’t but others did and their company was always enjoyed. Age aside, I don’t see the problem with including someone if they’ve expressed interest in going. That is terrible. He should just go anyway and tell them, “we just happened to also have a HP only activity at the same place.” I have also seen something like this with YM quorums. I have seen it said many times that activities are to “strengthen the quorum bond.” But in YM, that quorum is an ever shifting group.
One of my sons has a February birthday and one has one in August.
They have both had many times where all of their friends were moved into a different quorum and were not allowed to do activities with them, or was in the same quorum and had to attend SS with a group that had none of their friends in. We encouraged them to make friends within the group they were in, but within the youth that isn’t always easy to do.
Labels that divide us and placing far too much importance on the rules/letter of the law. Their loss. I’ve never felt the distinction between a HP and an EQ for social reasons was any good. I am young minded and would much rather be with the young bucks. The lessons would give me ample opportunity to share my own perception on life situations EQ members are only beginning to face. I think it would be good for HT to pair up an EQ member with a HP. I once had a real odd-ball ward member that was move to be a HP. I think it was because the Elders were bothered with having him and he was about 50 years old. He never held almost any position of responsibility as everyone was worried about the mess he would make of things (and he did a good job causing issues even without a calling). He then told a friend of mine, “Hey, now that I am in with the HP’s, do you want me to put in the good word to move you on over? I am sure I can pull some strings for you!”
😆 There was a time where there was a distinction: Elders: the “workhorse” of the PH. Home Teaching, etc.
70’s: Missionary work.
HP: Genealogy & Temple work.
It wasn’t that responsibilities didn’t cross but they took the leadership roles.
I’m going off the rails with this next comment. I apologize in advance.
There was a time when once a HP you couldn’t go back to being a 70.
Now they don’t have 70’s on a Stake level anymore. Most of the 70’s are GA’s, and were HP’s.
I don’t remember ever hearing an explanation.
amateurparent wrote:It would’ve been so kind and Christian to include him.
Assholes.
Yep.
SilentDawning wrote:I’ve never felt the distinction between a HP and an EQ for social reasons was any good. I am young minded and would much rather be with the young bucks. The lessons would give me ample opportunity to share my own perception on life situations EQ members are only beginning to face. I think it would be good for HT to pair up an EQ member with a HP.
I always thought it was because you HP talked about special things us EQ’s weren’t smart enough to understand.
There are a couple people in our ward that got called to HP in their early 30’s and I just feel bad for those people. Now they “can’t” go to EQ activities and I doubt hanging out with a bunch of guys who’s average age is 30+ yours is all that exciting. (Sorry old guys
Being a HP is great. No strenuous sports.
We’re very loud because none of us can hear.
The kids are grown & out of the house.
And we’re home by 8pm.
I do feel sorry for the young ones.
I send snacks to HP a couple times a month .. That has increased attendance. DH shares with EQ .. So they shouldn’t be exclusive due to lack of Snackage.
This kind of stuff irks me to no end. :thumbdown: EQ on this one.I’ve seen it done the other way around. There was an activity for onlyHigh Priests and their wives which was announced in Relief Society. You could sense all the women in the room looking around at each other to determine who was allowed to participate in this activity (I think it was dinner out at a nice restaurant) based on their husbands’ priesthood ranking. I’m sure it was a good idea in theory, but someone did NOT think that suggestion through. I don’t see why the EQ and the HP need to socialize separately from each other, though it’s possible I’m missing something. It’s definitely a status symbol to ‘graduate’ into the High Priests at a younger age. DH is 42 and he’s on the upper end of guys still in EQ, age-wise. (And he’s likely to stay there for a while – having a heterodox wife makes it pretty unlikely that he’ll be given any high profile callings. You’re welcome, honey.) I feel pretty confident that God didn’t intend His priesthood to be used as some sort of status symbol or ruler for measuring outward righteousness.
Wow – Your HP group must have some budget. I could easily spend the HP budget for my ward at one meal just for me at Applebee’s. Or maybe you have a wealthy and generous HPGL. LookingHard wrote:Wow – Your HP group must have some budget. I could easily spend the HP budget for my ward at one meal just for me at Applebee’s. Or maybe you have a wealthy and generous HPGL.
I think people were expected to pay for it themselves, not out of the ward budget. It was a social event but they announced it in front of everybody, making sure to stress that only some of the people listening were actually eligible to attend.
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