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Many years ago, I complained to a friend about an educational leader. I thought he had some serious issues that impacted my willingness to learn from him. My friend looked at me, shook his head, and said something both pithy and profound: Quote:“Everybody poops, and it usually stinks.”
Our culture tends to ignore that simple fact when it comes to esteemed leaders / role models. We put them on pedestals and ignore the fact that they are just as human as the rest of us. We do this especially in religion and politics.
At the risk of offending someone, Jesus of Nazareth cried as a baby, and he spit up on Mary, and he burped and farted and pooped. I’m pretty certain he didn’t spit up on Mary when he became an adult, but I also am certain he kept doing all of the other things on the list. I know he pooped, and I’m positive it usually stank.
Life is messy, and people are messy.
The type of charity described in 1 Corinthians 13 understands the simple fact that everybody poops – and all its applications to other aspects of living messy lives. Of course, there are differences that we can highlight, and doing so is important sometimes, but accepting everyone for the stinkers they are and can’t help being is important. We might have to plug our noses occasionally, or often, but expecting anything else is unrealistic and uncharitable.
As a general rule, only those who don’t poop or whose poop smells like labender potpourri have a high ground.
First cast stones and all that jazz.
[Admin Note]: Feel free to expand in almost any way you desire. Just keep it relatively clean – and, yes, I understand the irony of that request. 😆 Here’s a song to act as a mnemonic to help you remember the principle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQTW7Pd1vqchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQTW7Pd1vqc” class=”bbcode_url”> Hey, you started it.
Some people are anal retentive and are full of … nibbler wrote:
Here’s a song to act as a mnemonic to help you remember the principle.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQTW7Pd1vqchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQTW7Pd1vqc” class=”bbcode_url”>
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At the risk of offending someone, Jesus of Nazareth cried as a baby, and he spit up on Mary, and he burped and farted and pooped. I’m pretty certain he didn’t spit up on Mary when he became an adult, but I also am certain he kept doing all of the other things on the list. I know he pooped, and I’m positive it usually stank.That leads us into very weird theological territory about the nature of Jesus.
Jesus suffered human frailties, but did he ever really get ill? Did he heal himself? And if he was free from sin, does that include being well behaved as a small child?
According to RC doctrine, saints’ corpses barely rot and smell sweet… so would saints smell bad or Jesus? Who know.
SamBee wrote:
That leads us into very weird theological territory about the nature of Jesus.Jesus suffered human frailties, but did he ever really get ill? Did he heal himself? And if he was free from sin, does that include being well behaved as a small child?
Have you ever looked into the Gnostic gospels? The “Infancy Gospel of Thomas”, which was written somwhere between 80-180AD, gives quite the picture of Christ as a little child. Spoliers: He was not well behaved.
dande48 wrote:
Have you ever looked into the Gnostic gospels? The “Infancy Gospel of Thomas”, which was written somwhere between 80-180AD, gives quite the picture of Christ as a little child. Spoliers: He was not well behaved.
They made a TV show about it:
:angel: I’ve read that stuff. Completely different character. The infancy gospels are amongst the most dubious… and I think the nativity scenes in the Gospels are the most mythological part of the canonical gospels. SamBee wrote:
I’ve read that stuff. Completely different character. The infancy gospels are amongst the most dubious… and I think the nativity scenes in the Gospels are the most mythological part of the canonical gospels.
They are a little dubious, but the books which wound up in the bible were chosen by the Catholics, and more than a little edited, judging by our earliest records. I strongly believe that Christianity adopted Grecian/Roman paganism into its teachings and practice. When Jesus was crucified, do you know who held the titles of “The Son of God”, the Christ, savior of the world, redeemer of mankind? Caesar Augustus. Jesus’ name was actually Joshua, but no one recognizes “Joshua the Messiah” anymore. I also wonder, with all due respect to those who believe differently, if when Jesus declared he was the Son of God, he meant it in the way Jews often meant it at the time, or how we mean it today (“I am a child of God”). To express familiarity and devotion with the creator, instead of a literal, biological relation like the Romans used. The Roman story for Augustus’ parentage is eerily similar to Christ. Apollo impregnated Atia through “immaculate conception” more or less, who gave birth to Augustus, who was hailed with great signs in the heavens and a new star. The gentiles too often deified their leaders and heroes.
Which is also why, the child Jesus in the Gnostic gospels nicely fits into the”child trickster god” trope found in most pagan myths.
No, not the Catholics. They didn’t exist then in the modern sense… Curt, are you defending Trump??? 😆 😆 😆 SamBee wrote:
No, not the Catholics. They didn’t exist then in the modern sense…
The first council to officially declare the books which make up our New Testament to be Canon, the Synod of Hippo, was lead by St. Augustine of Hippo in 393 AD. Augustine used the term “Catholic” to distinguish his Christianity, from all other heretical denominations.
St. Augustine of Hippo wrote:“For my part, I should not believe the gospel except as moved by the authority of the Catholic Church.”
The Roman Catholics like to claim the early Christian fathers, but anyone before the 600s barely qualifies as such. They never had the level of central control or influence, priests could marry, most of the contemporary monastic movements or the likes of the Jesuits were long into the future.
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