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I have said this previously, and I think it is worth repeating here: Those who start the play and don’t leave finish it and enter the Celestial Kingdom. Period. No exceptions. It doesn’t matter if someone forgets everything they are supposed to know. Someone always is there to help them, even if that means whispering everything they need to say and helping them do everything they need to do.
In other words, other issues aside for a moment, you can’t “fail” the journey if you show up and endure to the end.
Personally, I love that simple fact – and I think it says a lot more about our fundamental theology than most members realize, particularly since we say every single person will go through it at some point.
Reuben wrote:
The same friend later appealed to Masonic ritual and guild initiation to make the case that the veil ceremony is an ancient authentication protocol where at the last moment we learn the last authentication token: the name of God. Not only that, we basically “log in” as him, having the same rights, powers and priesthoods. That was good for quite a few more sessions before it got old again.
I’ve heard something similar and felt much the same way.:think: Maybe the priesthood is like God added us to the sudoers list… On one server out of jillions.unsure wrote:
I feel like there is far more to this story than just being able to look at this one particular incident and say that porn is the real issue. I could find stories of marriages being saved because porn allows the high drive partner an outlet.On the surface, porn might have been the issue but there are likely underlying problems within the life/marriage that fuel the porn use. It’s best to figure out what those are and deal with them directly to bring your life/marriage into balance. If he was addicted (truly addicted not mormon addicted) then yes it is a problem although that’s likely not the case. As with everything in life, moderation in all things.
Unsure, you’re putting words in my mouth. (1) I never said he was addicted. (2) I clearly stated that porn was not the main cause of their divorce. It was one contributing factor. And, in fact, she felt like it was a contributing factor, but he did not. The point was that porn consumption can have a deeper impact on the significant other than it does on the person who is actually looking at it.
Sorry, didn’t mean to sidetrack the thread, but didn’t want my words to be misconstrued. Now, back to our program!
Reuben, I can really relate to what you’re saying. For me, the temple experience never really hit home, and was usually just more boring than anything. I haven’t missed going since letting my recommend expire. But, I can also appreciate that there are elements to the temple that many people find comforting and meaningful. We all find God in our own way. For some, that’s in the temple. For others, it’s somewhere else.
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Beefster wrote:
So I just got back from experiencing the temple and here are my findings:If you’re just wanting to get to the celestial room then do sealings or initiatories. Won’t take as long and maybe you can get something out of them that you don’t the endowment session.
You actually can go to the temple and just go to the celestial room if you like.
DarkJedi wrote:
You actually can go to the temple and just go to the celestial room if you like.
I might actually do that from time to time. Even though I didn’t like the experience itself, it seems to have calmed down my soul. It’s hard to say how long that will last and the effect makes no sense to me.For me, although the endowment hasn’t changed fully to where I would like it to be, there really is a serene, peaceful, heavenly spirit in the building itself. People unselfishly doing something they believe is important for someone else (turning their hearts in a real way) is a powerful concept, and I believe it can be felt. Old Timer wrote:
For me, although the endowment hasn’t changed fully to where I would like it to be, there really is a serene, peaceful, heavenly spirit in the building itself. People unselfishly doing something they believe is important for someone else (turning their hearts in a real way) is a powerful concept, and I believe it can be felt.
This is an attitude I can get behind. The way I see it is if it works for them, awesome!Stake conference was today, so I used that as my opportunity for my skip church one week experiment. SC has a way of pissing me off, especially back when I was in singles stakes, so maybe it avoided some of that. I dunno. I wasn’t there. 
As for how it made me feel. It didn’t. Skipping church was a neutral experience- no different than the times I didn’t go because I was sick or something.
Going to church is also a neutral experience for me most of the time. When it isn’t neutral I’d say it’s positive more often than negative.
The verdict (for now) is to continue going to church. Unless I can find something better, it makes no sense to back away.
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