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hawkgrrrl wrote:
In the 1980s there was a guy who did youth conferences and he said that facial hair was a symbol of free love / hippies / anti-authoritarianism, and that’s why the church didn’t like it and why no good Mormon man would have facial hair or a mustache. He also said rock music was Satanic. Coincidentally, he was selling copies of his own music in the hallway after this little speech.đ I don’t suppose that was the guy doing the circuit who wrote music for a few bands and was bitter about not getting the royalties?
He used to play famous records backwards to show they had subliminal messages. “Another one bites the dust” backwards (with a bit of suggestion) sounds vaguely like “start to smoke marijuana.” It was his way of showing it was evil. I always thought it ironic that a song about a serial killer was only because it suggested a puffing on a bit of dope.
I didn’t see him person, just had one of those wobbly cassettes that were copied tape-to-tape.
mackay11 wrote:My dad was called as a Bishop some years ago. He had grown a beard from his late teens. The SP told him in the interview that he would have to shave before being sustained. My Dad looked him straight in the face and said, “then you will have to call someone else.” Result? Our Ward had a bearded Bishop
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:thumbup: That takes some cajones as we’d say in my part of the world.As has been said elsewhere, facial hair seems to be one of those cultural traditions, much like colored shirts. I used to wear colored shirts every Sunday until they asked me to be in a leadership calling and I just switched to white shirts becuase I knew it was expected. We have several leaders in my ward with beards but none that wear colored shirts.
I look forward to the day when a woman (not with facial hair) says the opening prayer at general conference and one of the 12 wears a blue shirt.
Fwiw, when someone says shaving a beard or wearing a white shirt is a trial of faith, I look them in the eye and say: Quote:Attending church is enough of a trial of faith sometimes, much less agreeing to be a church leader of any kind. I don’t need any more trials than that right now.
cwald wrote:Facial hair and white shirts…perhaps the most telling sign of pharasicial influence within the Mormon church. I hope Jesus doesn’t make his second coming anytime soon…it might get ugly down at that COB.
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or Brigham Young, or Lorenzo Snow… or the handcart company. Doubt they had much time to shave well and wash their shirts…
*UPDATE* So after the non-event of attending HC meeting with a beard, I was attending the ward Christmas Party and one of the other HCs in attendance told me that I wasn’t really invited to attend the party because it was an event for “clean shaven” people only. I just ignored him for obvious reasons but I do think it was indicative of his feelings about the beard. I hindsight, I probably should have told him in no uncertain terms to mind his own business but I decided on the more peaceful course of action. I have a feeling that the opportunity to “chat” with him about the subject will probably present itself in the future. As far as I know he didn’t say the same thing to anyone else with facial hair in attendance especially the several less active and non-member folks there.
Is there a chance that he was kidding around? I’ve been known to make stupid remarks from time to time too.
The two rows we occupied today with all my kids here for the weekend included one mountain-man-esque beard (my oldest son) and one goatee (my second son) – and one woman in pants (my future daughter-in-law). My oldest son got multiple compliments about his beard.
I would like to think he was kidding around, still a stupid thing to say, but surely no one could say that is seriousness! I should have mentioned it in the OP that when he made the comment it was done in one of those “I am joking, but not really” tones. You could tell he was joking on the surface but his demeanor betrayed at least some of what he really thinks. mackay11, yes! That is the guy! Ridiculous. I have a bit of facial hair. (See portrait right). Unfortunately I have hair just about everywhere else too. đ To some extent, expectations and especially âenforcementsâ about facial hair and pant suits may be local. Thatâs obviously not completely true because there arenât any general authorities with beards, but I can say in my local area facial hair and pants suits arenât really a big deal. The YM president and Priests Quorum advisor in my ward both have beards, as does the scoutmaster and a couple of ward missionaries. A couple of high councilors have beards. When my bishop found out about women possibly wearing pants to church, his response was âwhy does it matter? If they want to wear pants, let them wear pants.â Colored shirts, on the other hand, seem to be taboo. Sometimes I feel guilty sitting on the stand with a sports coat instead of a full suit.
hawkgrrrl wrote:mackay11, yes! That is the guy! Ridiculous.
Once my Dad had heard the talk tape in the car one day and heard him call the Beatles were ‘evil’ the tape mysteriously vanished. In my wife’s house, ‘nobody put puts baby in the corner’ in my Dad’s ‘nobody calls the Beatles evil’
I don’t get why it’s so wrong to get have a beard if you’re a BYU student or a temple worker, unless the brethren in Salt Lake City are afraid too many people won’t have their beards looking neat. Now, church members judging other church members righteously on having facial hair is just crap. John Lennon could be a bit up himself. Especially while he told us to “imagine no possessions” while owning three Rolls Royces and an air conditioned closet for his coats. I kid you not. Anyway, I digress.
So anyone been forced you to get a shave and hair cut, Mike?
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