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LookingHard wrote:
Nobody knew the biggest issue If you go back 50 years there was almost nobody thinking that CO2 was the biggest threat. Pollution was just starting to be seen as an issue affecting some locations. Things like certain pesticides, lead in gasoline, CFC’s, etc. were the enemy before us.
Did you ever see those early studies they did on atomic bombs, unaware of the effects of radiation exposure?? Scary.
I don’t believe there are any studies on record of long-term effects of poor air quality from natural forest fires. There is much ignorance.
LookingHard wrote:
Did you hear that Trump outlawed shreaded cheese?He wants to make America GRATE again!
That made me laugh so hard!
I have never been a very big environmentalist, until now. It was partly that no one ever connected the dots for me, and I never researched the practical reasons — that global warming spawns hurricanes. For me it was ice floes melting and taking out seaside cities over a very long, slow period, with advance warning to change everyone’s mind when it became clear to everyone global warming is a problem. I live in a hurricane prone area, and believe me, it’s scary, and disruptive, and expensive to prepare for a hurricane, and deal with its aftermath. And it can kill people. I can get behind a scientific reason “God” (in this case, nature, acting on natural laws, invoked by human mismanagement). That’s a reason to believe in rather than God punishing humanity due to wickedness. Your case of religions vs non-religious countries and their relative prosperity is interesting. Could you argue its only evidence of the prosperity cycle though? That the poor countires are in a chastening cycle, which breeds religion and humility, and the rich countries are in the pride phase of the cycle, so they are not religious? Postulate away.
I wish we could take the feeder bands (non threatening, but wet) from the Atlantic Hurricane and dump them over Oregon so the fires can abate. Everyone in Florida needs to go outside and blow.
SilentDawning wrote:
I can get behind a scientific reason “God” (in this case, nature, acting on natural laws, invoked by human mismanagement). That’s a reason to believe in rather than God punishing humanity due to wickedness. Your case of religions vs non-religious countries and their relative prosperity is interesting. Could you argue its only evidence of the prosperity cycle though? That the poor countires are in a chastening cycle, which breeds religion and humility, and the rich countries are in the pride phase of the cycle, so they are not religious? Postulate away.
I do think poverty and destitution cause greater religious involvement, and not the other way around. The more impoverished you are, the more appealing the overall themes of religion are; that the world is an awful, wicked place, and it’s only going to get worse. That our sufferings have a purpose. That all our hardships will be made right at the judgement bar of God. That we will be rewarded fairly in the next life, and blessed in the world to come.
The more secular countries, on the other hand, greatly believe in improving our current circumstances here and now; There is no “God” who is going to set things right, no “happy and blissful” afterlife. We must take happiness, prosperity, and justice into our own hands. We must make the human race and the world the very best it can be. Another interest tidbit, is on the religious-prosperity correlation, America is the biggest exception to the rule. I think this largely comes from the “Zion” mentality; the hope that we can create “One Nation Under God”, a religious utopia, if you will.
As for the cycle, it appears to me the poorest countries are stuck in a rut. The poor get poorer, and the rich steal most of the humanitarian aid. The more prosperous countries seem to be on a general upswing, as a whole; not in all areas, over the past few decades healthcare has vastly improved, along with working conditions, resources for the less fortunate, the vast developments in education and computer science… Look at all the major improvements we’ve seen in gender equality and racial equality. Sure, we’re still a complete mess, but it’s turning into a rather pleasant mess, don’t you think?
We’re starting to get some pretty thick smoke down here in Utah County. Nothing is close to me yet, but I know 6 expensive homes in Weber County are burned up. The fire is pretty bad there. https://www.ksl.com/?sid=45695914&nid=148&title=uintah-fire-now-at-70-percent-containment-roughly-100-homes-still-evacuated Wow – GT – What a way to cap off the summer. Burning of the western states. check out this youtube when you get a chance… Fires are much more common since people have moved into various areas. Heber13 wrote:
LookingHard wrote:
Nobody knew the biggest issue If you go back 50 years there was almost nobody thinking that CO2 was the biggest threat. Pollution was just starting to be seen as an issue affecting some locations. Things like certain pesticides, lead in gasoline, CFC’s, etc. were the enemy before us.
Did you ever see those early studies they did on atomic bombs, unaware of the effects of radiation exposure?? Scary.
I don’t believe there are any studies on record of long-term effects of poor air quality from natural forest fires. There is much ignorance.
I hadn’t realised that since Hiroshima there have been over 2000 nuclear tests. No wonder the ozone became depleted. I even wonder if our global climate has in fact been altered by these and they are a major contributor to these events.
Are any politicians or military men going to admit to that? Of course not.
SamBee wrote:
Are any politicians or military men going to admit to that? Of course not.
Probably not; they’ll just blame it on car use, and individual waste. Why do we even have so many nukes?
[img=https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/judgment_day.png][/img] Heber – Ouch. You win. Sadly. At the beginning all I could think about were the fire crews and their tireless work. Then as it began to list all the other losses – including National Press, I know that sounds weird, I just cried. I am still crying.
I have dear friends who moved from my neighborhood to Montana. They haven’t said anything. Now I am wondering if they evacuated. I am going to check on them.
Thank you. Sincerely.
26 years ago a series of earthquakes rocked through the Pacific Rim. If memory serves there was also volcanic stuff and island flash floods. It seemed like every week a new “thing” happened. Rumors of end of the world spread. It didn’t end. Yes we bumped. Sadly we lost pieces. But 2.5 decades later it’s ancient history. Mother Nature and Human Beings – what a combo.
mom3 wrote:Mother Nature and Human Beings – what a combo.
Either one of the two all by itself can be beautiful and/or destructive all by itself.dande48 wrote:
Did any of you hear about the8.2 mag earthquake that happened down in Mexico
There was a nasty one in India recently…
And God knows where this North Korean thing will lead.
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