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While not asking for the priesthood some Mormon feminists point out that they could have a much more visible role and be of much greater service to the Church in general and people in particular. They stop short of the Ordain Women stand, but raise some thought provoking questions. Read the following article and feel free to comment. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58326218-78/women-church-mormon-lds.html.csp I like it. I would add another; Activity Parity (not just activity budget parity). Why can’t girls have high adventure? My daughter was complaining this summer about the great high adventure activity that our priests had this summer while she had to do to ‘camp’. (Quotes intended – it was a tame event at a cabin, no river running, mountain climbing, hiking, biking, fishing, etc….)
I think that while OW may have failed, for now, it probably did succeed in raising awareness, especially among younger women. “Inequity, once noticed, cannot be unnoticed.”
Great article! I would really like to see the church take this direction. I had a LONG talk yesterday with someone who read my blog posts analyzing Elder Oaks’ most recent talk about the Priesthood. The person is teaching a RS lesson soon about that talk, so she contacted me to pick my brain about how to approach the lesson and also to try to understand better exactly what Elder Oaks said in the talk. I expected the call to be around 30 minutes long; it lasted for over 90 minutes. In the end, she said she doesn’t want to be ordained to offices in the organizational Priesthood but wants women collectively to have that opportunity. More importantly, she wants Relief Society to be the powerful organization it was organized to be – exercising the power and authority of God with which women are endowed in the temple. She sees that as a good first step in the right direction – and, perhaps, a necessary step to ordination at some future point.
It was a fascinating conversation.
I don’t have an OW profile, and I have never really been keen to be ordained to the PH as it is. It’s a very male organization, lots of pride and hierarchy. It’s not my thing. But, while I didn’t care whether women were ordained I absolutely did and DO care how the question is answered, and the answers from the church have been horrible and heartbreaking. Quote:I don’t have an OW profile, and I have never really been keen to be ordained to the PH as it is. It’s a very male organization, lots of pride and hierarchy. It’s not my thing. But, while I didn’t care whether women were ordained I absolutely did and DO care how the question is answered, and the answers from the church have been horrible and heartbreaking.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Best answer for me, too.
Some “feminists” seek a middle way? I don’t think these women are “feminists.” Rather, I think they are women who have a misguided view of womanhood and of the Church. I’ve talked to a couple of these ladies, and both times the bottom line was they put their own wisdom over that of the prophet’s. When push came to shove, they were unwilling to acknowledge that the President of the Church is guided by revelation. And in both cases, women and the priesthood was not their only “issue” with the Church. mikegriffith1 wrote:Some “feminists” seek a middle way? I don’t think these women are “feminists.” Rather, I think they are women who have a misguided view of womanhood and of the Church. I’ve talked to a couple of these ladies, and both times the bottom line was they put their own wisdom over that of the prophet’s. When push came to shove, they were unwilling to acknowledge that the President of the Church is guided by revelation. And in both cases, women and the priesthood was not their only “issue” with the Church.
Darn tootin’ I’d say dems fightin’ words round these here parts. But I ain’t a fighter.
(Wouldn’t be surprised if you got a sternly written note from a Mod, though!)
mikegriffith1 wrote:Some “feminists” seek a middle way? I don’t think these women are “feminists.” Rather, I think they are women who have a misguided view of womanhood and of the Church. I’ve talked to a couple of these ladies, and both times the bottom line was they put their own wisdom over that of the prophet’s. When push came to shove, they were unwilling to acknowledge that the President of the Church is guided by revelation. And in both cases, women and the priesthood was not their only “issue” with the Church.
Am I to understand that women should seek understanding of “womanhood” from an elderly white male prophet???
Consider this the sternly worded comment – but it is personal one. We try really hard here not to dismiss others’ views of themselves. We can agree or disagree with what people think and believe – and how they see the world, but denying people the right or ability to self-identify gets really dicey really quickly.
Also, all of have the right and responsibility to follow the dictates of our own conscience. Believing everything someone says just because of a title or position is abetting unrighteous dominion – and, at the extreme, implementing Lucifer’s plan.
^^ Roy nails it. Roy wrote:mikegriffith1 wrote:Some “feminists” seek a middle way? I don’t think these women are “feminists.” Rather, I think they are women who have a misguided view of womanhood and of the Church. I’ve talked to a couple of these ladies, and both times the bottom line was they put their own wisdom over that of the prophet’s. When push came to shove, they were unwilling to acknowledge that the President of the Church is guided by revelation. And in both cases, women and the priesthood was not their only “issue” with the Church.
Am I to understand that women should seek understanding of “womanhood” from an elderly white male prophet???
I think your question says it all. Do you think God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ have a good understanding of womanhood? I think they do. In fact, I think their understanding far surpasses yours or mine.
In the end, it all boils down to your view of the Church: Is it led by a prophet of God or is it not?
I don’t know why my response was “fightin words” in some folks’ eyes. I related my personal experience with a couple so-called Mormon “feminists,” and I expressed my view about those women who presume to counsel the General Authorities. My experience has been that women who reject the current role that women play in the Church also have other issues with the Church.
As I have studied church history, I can’t see how others can make that statement when the Relief Society, Primary, Welfare, the Word of Wisdom have all “started” by individuals asking or doing. It is almost like they are saying, “revelation ONLY comes from the first presidency or quorum of the 12.” It is another thing for someone to TELL the 1st Pres/Q of 12 “you should do this!” In some ways, it would be wonderful if prophets were infallible and understood everything perfectly. That isn’t the case, so people end up having to try to find a balance that makes sense for them.
Mike, please be careful here of statements that imply unworthiness or wrongness simply because others see things differently than you do. Part of our mission is to allow people to have differing perspectives.
Oh brother…. Thank you mike for reminding me why i have not, and will not resigned from this board.
Moderators – in the words of Jack Nicholson…”you need me on this wall. …”
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