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DBMormon wrote:
CWALD
couple of thoughts.
– I agree very much that the behavior of some on MDD board was embarrasing and goes great lengths to show many members of the church are truly unprepared to deal with those in Faith Crisis. Elder Marlin Jensen hits the subject on the head and more LDS should read his comments over the last year
– I believe only a small minority of posters on MDD have fall into this catigory. perhaps only 5% but those 5% post continuously and stop any other poster from getting beyond their perceived acceptable line. The other 95% are great and many of them are made up of faithful LDS who have empathy and concern and allow an open dialogue…
You are probably right. I will try to remember that if I start posting there again.
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Great to meet you. I thought the MS Podcast was great too! Welcome a member of my ward viewed it the night it hit the web. Another Bishop in the Stake saw it as well. I got a great email from a Sake President in West Virginia who said I answered every question as he would have, which made me feel more hopeful of the response it would get. I waited a few weeks to see what the response would be and when it seemed neutral or positive I went ahead and sent it to a few other members of my ward whom I respected. So far my Stake President has said nothing and I don’t plan to say anything as I don’t see it as a church matter unless he or someone else brings it up. I have gotten no praise or flack from anyone higher up and hope the interview is seen as a positive. I hope it gives people hope DBM – glad to have you aboard, and I appreciate your shared experiences. Quote:I appreciate your shared experiences.
Thank You Hawkgirl
DBMormon wrote:It became obvious to Bill the member that Bill the church leader was correct in the approach of focusing on the pure gospel and the doctrine of Christ and handling the faith crisis issues one on one as we did that night.
Welcome DBM,
I’m glad you are here. I believe that one difficulty is that there is no program set up to handle faith crisis issues. This young woman was lucky to have you as her Bishop, but many others aren’t as lucky. I understand that creating a program like this would be challenging but in the absence of one sometimes the response of members/leadership is marginalization and labeling.
I admire what you do as Bishop – loving and serving imperfect people with limited resources in less than ideal circumstances. I suppose if I had a suggestion for a “program” it would be to focus on love and acceptance. In the wards and families where love and acceptance are abundant, persons with any number of challenges can find support. In this way the “pure gospel and doctrine of Christ” would be our program and the “gospel in action” would be our goal.
I’m looking forward to your participation here –
Roy
I think an advanced Sunday School could be considered. My issue is that think about a regular class based on apoligetics… what does that say. What message is it giving? If one went to it regularly would one begin to mis understand what the gospel is and begin to falsely blend both areas? What I think would be the best answer is a well constructed website linked from LDS.ORG where members can get official statements on what we know and what we don’t on all these faith crisis issues subjects. FAIR has lot of good answers (some insuffcient as well) but it seems weird that they tell us more about doctrine and historical issues then the Church leaders are willing to say, though I understand the risk.
I personally believe that the Church is trying to address faith crisis issues for the members. For example: the addiction recovery program. For many the time table maybe slow.
I would be curious Bishop, do you use this program in your unit & do you see success?
In the past, I’m sure that it was easier for the Church to either ignore that it didn’t exist or conduct disciplinary hearings
to address the trouble.
Mike from Milton.
i have read it myself hoping to glean useful info. I have given both the CD and accompanying book to members struggling as I have helped them. A sister seemed to put away an addictive issue without the book being the main cause. A brother is still struggling and the program is not helping though more an issue of his personality then the program. I just wanted to say hello and welcome! Your positivity is most appreciated to keep the balance. I look forward to hearing more from you and your thoughts on things. Welcome. Glad to have you here in our community. DBMormon wrote:What I think would be the best answer is a well constructed website linked from LDS.ORG where members can get official statements on what we know and what we don’t on all these faith crisis issues subjects.
Great idea! Even that would have some risks but if nothing else it could pull together the most recent and authoratative statements on important subjects. I will content myself to hope for more of a “love the smell of cigarette smoke in the chapel” approach and less of a “prefer my child to come home in a pine box than having broken the law of chastity” approach. FWIW, I believe that the global church leadership is sharing more and more of the former and I have never heard the latter in GC, but sometimes local implementation is spotty.
Quote:I will content myself to hope for more of a “love the smell of cigarette smoke in the chapel” approach and less of a “prefer my child to come home in a pine box than having broken the law of chastity” approach. FWIW, I believe that the global church leadership is sharing more and more of the former and I have never heard the latter in GC, but sometimes local implementation is spotty.
Exactly… this is the misunderstandings that absolutely must go away and get removed from the minds of lay members. I think 95% of the top 15 men already have done that. the old speculation is gone from them, now just a matter of helping ward and stakes clear up wrong ideas
so maybe you know me better 1.) let me know if you think I am coming off offensive. You won’t offend me unless I feel someone is attacking me on purpose. People can dissagree with me and life is good. CWALD is a good example. Him and I differ dramatically on our views but our conversation has been very friendly on the MDD board. Please tell me if you feel I cross the line. If that occurs, I will revisit what I said and see if I could have worded it better or better explain my point or apoligize.
2.) Please dissagree with me when you want to. I have learned so much in the last few years simply by hearing out those with different viewpoints.
3.) So far no-one here has rubbed me wrong, so don’t think that has occured. Everyone here has been super kind and considerate while sharing a different viewpoint. Having been on another board, there is an obvious difference in tone and charitable dialogue.
Thank you
Welcome Bishop Reel! I enjoyed your podcast very much, and I’m glad you decided to jump in to some of our discussions here! :thumbup:
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