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mackay11, my daughter was told that she can wear her garments and underwear any way she wants when she went through the temple a few months ago. I don’t want it in writing, except in the way that it already is in writing (that members can decide how to wear the garment) as quoted in the comments just above these. I want less in writing and more left up to us.
mackay11 wrote:Is that in writing anywhere. My bro-in-law (not active) can’t stand that his wife wears her bra over her top. It was some old fuddy duddy who insisted on her first visit and she’s never been able to change it.
My wife was told by somebody (probably from my old school MIL) that “bra on top” was the correct way. She now knows that it is up to her but she is already used to wearing it that way. I leave her underwear decisions up to her.
I actually like to wear my garments—and I wear maternity bottoms because they are more comfortable for my body build. A gal at the garment center told me there was another woman who did the same thing. I try to respect my garments, and ask my kids not to put them on the floor when they are folding clothes. My garments are starting to get pretty dingy looking, the lace is almost a light gray color–you can see it under a lightweight white shirt. I wonder if It would be more appropriate for me to replace my garments since mine look so dingy. I have been told it is ok for me to take them in if I need to—-I lost a lot of weight at one time with an illness.
I can’t afford to replace both mine and my husbands garments–but I could buy a new pair for each of us once a month or once every two months–then they would look nicer.
When I am asked if I wear the garment night and day—I always answer yes—but it doesn’t mean that I don’t take them off to put on a pretty nightgown for my husband (and for me)–and I don’t think the Lord would see anything wrong with that either.
When did they come out and say it was ok to wear your bra under your garment top—and when did they say it wasn’t ok to hang them on the clothes line.
I have 3 daughters that have gotten married in the last 4 1/2 years. As they each received their instructions about garments, only once did I hear that they should not be hung on the clothesline where people could see them. Maybe it is a matter of hanging them where people can see them? Most people have clotheslines in their back yard—so it is pretty limited as to who could actually see them.
The problem is that what people are told is up to the whim of the temple worker who talks to them that day. I would really like if what was written stayed the same, and nothing was added to it.
What we really need is consistency!
Roy wrote:momto11 wrote:When My twins recently got married, the thing that surprised me, was that they told them they shouldn’t be hung out on a clothes line where people could see—-i had never been told that when i got married. I used to love to hang my garments on the line when I had one—because they smelled so good—at least my back yard was relatively private. If I should ever have a clothes line again, I willhave to find a way to hang them on the line and still be respectful of not letting them be out in public view—Maybe hand them between 2 rows of sheets?
I think there are many Garment do’s and don’ts that are entirely made up. Ever heard that they shouldn’t touch the floor, or that they should be washed seperately, or that they should be washed by hand? Have you heard that they shouldn’t be seen by people who wouldn’t understand their meaning, but that they shouldn’t be removed just to avoid curious questions from others? Have you heard that the garment top and the garment bottom must always be worn together and you must never pin or otherwise modify the garment, but that the garments shouldn’t be removed for activities that could reasonably be done with them on.
I think the garment should be respected both as a reminder of sacred promises and out of deference to all the individuals that view the garment itself as sacred. I believe how you choose to go about showing that respect should be up to you.
A lot of those things you have in the first paragraph are true. My endowment ceremony is pretty recent so I know y info was fresh. My garments are growing on me. I hated them at first but they are slowly becoming more comfortable. I can’t wear them though if I know I’m about to sweat. Yard work, lifting etc they get wet and really uncomfortable.
The handbook and temple interview both said specifically to wear the garments when doing yard work. They also say to put them back on after swimming and not to lounge around the yard or house without them. This annoys me to no end. Is it immoral to feel the sun and wind on your body and skin? Close your eye, put headphones in and lounge on the patio? Spend Saturday morning working in the garden in shorts and no shirt? Kipper wrote:The handbook and temple interview both said specifically to wear the garments when doing yard work. They also say to put them back on after swimming and not to lounge around the yard or house without them. This annoys me to no end. Is it immoral to feel the sun and wind on your body and skin? Close your eye, put headphones in and lounge on the patio? Spend Saturday morning working in the garden in shorts and no shirt?
I agree. I hate wearing them when I sleep. I’m getting used to it, but that was a major adjustment. I live in Florida and when the heat index is 105 and I’m out cutting the grass the shirt comes off!
I would just say that there are lots of things in church pamphlets and manuals that aren’t in the actual covenants we made. And that’s true with many things. Ultimately those covenants are between us and God and since the cornerstone of Mormonism is being able to ask God what is right for ourselves I would just do what feels OK between you and God and not worry about pamphlets and manuals so much. If you feel you’re in the right then I’d bet you are. And if anyone at church is overly concerned with how or when you wear your underwear I think that says more about them than you.
In my opinion the overly specific rules are there for those who are slothful servants and must be commanded in all things.
Kipper wrote:… Is it immoral to feel the sun and wind on your body and skin? Close your eye, put headphones in and lounge on the patio? Spend Saturday morning working in the garden in shorts and no shirt?
Nope
wuwei wrote:…Ultimately those covenants are between us and God and since the cornerstone of Mormonism is being able to ask God what is right for ourselves I would just do what feels OK between you and God and not worry about pamphlets and manuals so much. If you feel you’re in the right then I’d bet you are. And if anyone at church is overly concerned with how or when you wear your underwear I think that says more about them than you.
In my opinion the overly specific rules are there for those who are slothful servants and must be commanded in all things.
Probably a subject for another thread but in an organization that’s hierarchical with rules it’s just easier to ask for a list than to decide for your self.
GBSmith wrote:Kipper wrote:… Is it immoral to feel the sun and wind on your body and skin? Close your eye, put headphones in and lounge on the patio? Spend Saturday morning working in the garden in shorts and no shirt?
Nope
Probably a subject for another thread but in an organization that’s hierarchical with rules it’s just easier to ask for a list than to decide for your self.
I don’t understand. There has to be parameters or rules to follow. Just doing what feels right to you lends itself to hundreds or thousands of meanings and no standard. The handbook and the message from the FP read during the interview are clear, for me less than a month ago. The message is no sunbathing while sitting or working in the yard.
“Endowed members should wear the temple garment both day and night. They should not remove it, either entirely or partially, to work in the yard or for other activities that can reasonably be done with the garment worn properly beneath the clothing. Nor should they remove it to lounge around the home in swimwear or immodest clothing. When they must remove the garment, such as for swimming, they should put it back on as soon as possible.”
The choice is not what feels right but do I choose to obey. I don’t like being put in this position but church leaders are good at doing that. This is very unreasonable.
Kipper wrote:GBSmith wrote:Kipper wrote:… Is it immoral to feel the sun and wind on your body and skin? Close your eye, put headphones in and lounge on the patio? Spend Saturday morning working in the garden in shorts and no shirt?
Nope
Probably a subject for another thread but in an organization that’s hierarchical with rules it’s just easier to ask for a list than to decide for your self.
I don’t understand. There has to be parameters or rules to follow.
For me the rule is to wear the garment throughout my life and not defile it. That’s what I agreed to in the temple.
Quote:Just doing what feels right to you lends itself to hundreds or thousands of meanings and no standard.
On the list of shoulds in the Handbook is the little proviso about following the spirit. To me that’s not necessarily having a revelation as it is to use my brain and decide for myself. Letting people make up their own minds doesn’t always lead to chaos.
Quote:The handbook and the message from the FP read during the interview are clear, for me less than a month ago. The message is no sunbathing while sitting or working in the yard.
Ray’s comments above speak to this whole matter very well and I recommend them to you if you’ve not already seen them. I choose to wear and not wear my garments at varioius times and do it with a clear conscience. I answer yes to the recommend question without my fingers crossed. For further information you might want to check out
http://www.ldssdf.com/v.2/ Kipper wrote:GBSmith wrote:Kipper wrote:… Is it immoral to feel the sun and wind on your body and skin? Close your eye, put headphones in and lounge on the patio? Spend Saturday morning working in the garden in shorts and no shirt?
Nope
I don’t understand. There has to be parameters or rules to follow.
For me the rule is to wear the garment throughout my life and not defile it. That’s what I agreed to in the temple.
Quote:Just doing what feels right to you lends itself to hundreds or thousands of meanings and no standard.
On the list of shoulds in the Handbook is the little proviso about following the spirit. To me that’s not necessarily having a revelation as it is to use my brain and decide for myself. Letting people make up their own minds doesn’t always lead to chaos.
Quote:The handbook and the message from the FP read during the interview are clear, for me less than a month ago. The message is no sunbathing while sitting or working in the yard.
Ray’s comments above speak to this whole matter very well and I recommend them to you if you’ve not already seen them. I choose to wear and not wear my garments at varioius times and do it with a clear conscience. I answer yes to the recommend question without my fingers crossed. For further information you might want to check out
http://www.ldssdf.com/v.2/ OK, so I have a little better idea of what I should be following. The should and should not are not the same as will and must and are not part of the covenant. I need to hear the actual covenant again myself altho I think I have a pretty good idea what it says from previous posts. BTW, I “cuff” my bottoms if they are going to be exposed under my short pants even if the pants are knee length. I feel this better than having a silly looking hem hanging out and attracting attention.
Kipper wrote:Just doing what feels right to you lends itself to hundreds or thousands of meanings and no standard.
I agree when we are talking about withdrawing funds from corporate accounts but it is important to remember that we are talking about underwear here. If we must be told how to wear underwear where would the slippery slope stop?
It’s like the flight attendant who shows everyone how to use the seatbelt. Really?!?!
If you don’t know how to use a seatbelt, you shouldn’t be flying.
As Hawkgrrrl says, at some point we need to grow up and become adults of God.
As i stated before, I think the standard is just to do what feels right between you and god, be happy with that, and not worry about how the next person wears his or her underwear. There might be 100000 applications of the standard but the standard is the same. I like the “adults of god” concept very much. God didn’t give us agency and reason just so we could ignore reason and turn our agency over to the church. JS and his first vision story are a great example of this. If he’d just turned his agency over to his mom’s church like his pastor would have wanted we wouldn’t have any of this to debate. But he showed that what god told him directly was more important than his church authorities. The church forgets that sometimes. Its always easier to just follow someone you think is inspired from god instead of seeking him yourself. But its not a substitute.
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