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With General Conference starting today, I was wondering what changes (if any) will be announced? Could it be:
. Women will be ordained to the PH?
– Maybe a 2nd temple in Dubai?
– Missionaries called home until the pandemic is over?
Personally, I have no clue. These are indeed strange times.
Well, Dallin Oaks’ talk was about standing against racism and hatred. Not once did he mention the “evils” of same-sex attraction. To me, that was about as monumental as anything else that might happen this weekend. I almost left the room when he started to speak, but I’m VERY glad I stayed and listened. Yeah, Oaks was the highlight of the Saturday morning session, but as far as I’m concerned it started on a very low note with DAB’s very old school talk (IOW it was easy for DHO). Nevertheless, what DHO said needs to be said even if he could have been a bit more pointed. And he did avoid any gay marriage speech – but he will have other opportunities this weekend. Is Ballard wearing a light blue shirt, or is it the lighting or my poor eyesight?? Roadrunner wrote:
Is Ballard wearing a light blue shirt, or is it the lighting or my poor eyesight??
I didn’t see this post initially until after he was done. Thanks to modern tech we can already see some video of yesterday’s stuff. I can see how with the blue shirt and tie and shadowing it might be perceived that Ballard’s shirt appears light blue (perhaps especially if your TV/monitor color needs adjusting). However, as expected on close examination his shirt is indeed white. If someone were to wear a non-white shirt he is one of the last I would expect to do so but they do surprise us sometimes.
So there was no running comment this conference like we sometimes have here. What was there to say? Trials, tests, preparedness. I watched all the regular sessions (I did not see the women’s session) and it seemed almost every speaker spoke on trials, tests and preparedness – but I admittedly was tuned out sometimes and I dozed off Sunday morning. The only talk that really caught any of my attention was Renlund’s Sunday afternoon talk on mercy. I will give credit where credit is due to Pres. Nelson as well. I think he was very clear on the issue of racism which did need to be addressed. “Adultery, promiscuity, elective abortion, and children born out of wedlock are but some of the bitter fruits that grow out of the immorality sanctioned by the sexual revolution.” Todd Christofferson LDS General Conference (2020) I have heard discussion of this quote and offense taken that those born out of wedlock are considered ‘bitter fruit”? Anyone else taken it this way? bridget_night wrote:
“Adultery, promiscuity, elective abortion, and children born out of wedlock are but some of the bitter fruits that grow out of the immorality sanctioned by the sexual revolution.” Todd Christofferson LDS General Conference (2020) I have heard discussion of this quote and offense taken that those born out of wedlock are considered ‘bitter fruit”? Anyone else taken it this way?
I did hear that part of his talk but tuned out shortly after. I was born during what could probably be termed the eve of the sexual revolution – and I was born out of wedlock and I was raised by my grandparents. I consider myself fairly thick skinned so I did not take offense at being called “bitter fruit” but I can see how some people might. Frankly I was far better off in many ways being raised by my grandparents. As I approach retirement age, I hold a master’s degree plus and I am successful in my career. I have wonderful wife and loving (now adult) children, all of who are also successful in their education and careers (and they’re just plain good people). I don’t suppose I fit the definition of “bitter fruit.”
When I first came here and was still in my anger phase (which still pops up from time to time but less often as time goes on) I used to talk about GAs parroting and generally not knowing what they were talking about. Such would seem to be the case here with DTC.
Thanks Dark Jedi…yeah alot of my lds women friends were offended by the ‘bitter fruit’ saying in regards to ‘out of wedlock’ babies. My daughter had my oldest grandson out of wedlock at 16. He is an absolute gem that has brought nothing but joy to so many lives. Yet, I know members who were born under the covenant, and became bishops that abused children. Babies are born innocent and should not be made to feel inferior under any circumstances. bridget_night wrote:
“Adultery, promiscuity, elective abortion, and children born out of wedlock are but some of the bitter fruits that grow out of the immorality sanctioned by the sexual revolution.” Todd Christofferson LDS General Conference (2020) I have heard discussion of this quote and offense taken that those born out of wedlock are considered ‘bitter fruit”? Anyone else taken it this way?
I am not sure that this is what Elder Christopherson meant to say. I believe he would have meant to say something like “Children born without the extra love, security, and advantages of two parent families (which children need and deserve in order to give them the best possible chance at success in life) are some of the bitter fruits…”. Would such a clarified statement still be problematic?
Like with many things, I personally see both good things and bad things related to the sexual revolution. How much of the sexual revolution is also tied to equal rights and autonomy for women to live, and work, and make decisions, and own property? It has increased the opportunities for women 10 fold and still if they want to become SAHM’s that option is available to them. Surely, it is a mixed bag but there is much that is good fruit along with the “bitter.”
Thanks Roy…good response.
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