Good Feelings the Holy Ghost and Intuition

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Curtis wrote:

I also love the concept of moving forward when something resonates in my heart and seems good to my mind. That is the general standard I use.

Yes same here. It’s the best method I have found and there is actually good evidence to support such a system where you study in as much as you are able, weigh what you know and the risk and proceed with your heart afterwards knowing what you are in for. There’s actually positive research for such a system.

So that is how I frame the HG process.

Lastly doing away with the idea that an invisible person is trying to “trick me”.

That idea has born forth horrible fruit quite a few studies have shown.

At its least worst it makes a decisive person very wushu washy even when they have all the tools and study and heart in agreement.

I like curtis idea the best here, especially research to back up such methods in a positive way.

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DarkJedi wrote:

You mention ho emotion may be only only one tool but it seems to be the only tool and that’s the problem for me. If it’s the only tool and is also unreliable then what good is it? Why would God do that?

I was thinking of a few other possible tools God might use. One is the testimony of others—prophets, parents, etc. The scriptures say that believing on the testimony of others is a gift. Many people rely on that and live very happy lives. Another tool is our own intellect—”flashes of pure intelligence” like Curtis said, or simply the responsible use of our natural, God-given ability to think things out. Assuming God created us, our intelligence is a gift too, and I think he expects us to use it in the absence of further communication or evidence.

I’ve been thinking a lot about these ideas lately and come to the conclusion that if God wanted everyone on earth to have absolute truth, he has ways to do that more effectively than he currently does (assuming he’s both caring and all powerful). If, in all my personal experience, I haven’t encountered anything convincing that follows the paradigms I was taught (pray, get confirmation of Holy Ghost), and I’m being honest and sincere about it, I can’t imagine a loving God punishing me for doing my best and continue trying to figure it out, even if that means I do so outside the church. I do think that he would expect me to always keep trying to improve, keep trying to exercise the gifts I have been given—intellect and agency. And that may in fact be the whole point. It also ties in really nicely with the idea of eternal progression.

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Actually there is ample scientific evidence for emotions being influenced from outside the body. One could start with food and drink etc, and their abuse, not to mention drugs and other environmental chemicals.

There also appears to be evidence that people can be influenced by sounds at levels that they can’t hear, whether infrasound or ultrasound. It would appear that infrasound may explain certain hauntings – people are sensing stuff that they can’t hear, but which is affecting them on a physical level.

Electrical equipment, particularly television may also influence us on levels that we are not aware of.

And all of this is coming from OUTSIDE our heads. That’s without spiritual influences.

One thing that I have learnt over the years is that the boundary between internal and external is a lot less than we like to think. Our western thinking is influenced unconsciously by Cartesianism dualism, the notion that mind and body are somewhat separate and also that our minds are not part of the external worlds.

On another level, emotion is certainly transferable between people. Have you ever come across so called psychic vampires? They seem to drain you, and you don’t know why. Essentially what is happening is that their emotional state is influencing your emotional state.

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I think when I first sensed the Holy Ghost, as people would call it, I was quite old at the time.

The problem is that church members often are immersed in a culture in which they have been brought up in. If you are asked about stuff when you are seven or eight, your emotional state is undeveloped. Because that is so early in life, people assume that stuff that they experience after that age is down to HG, when a wider experience outside the church would let them know it wasn’t.

For example, if I have a really good night out with some friends from work, that’s not the Holy Ghost. But if most of the people surrounding me are Mormon, and I have the same experience, then I put that down to HG.

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SamBee wrote:

I think when I first sensed the Holy Ghost, as people would call it, I was quite old at the time.

The problem is that church members often are immersed in a culture in which they have been brought up in. If you are asked about stuff when you are seven or eight, your emotional state is undeveloped. Because that is so early in life, people assume that stuff that they experience after that age is down to HG, when a wider experience outside the church would let them know it wasn’t.

For example, if I have a really good night out with some friends from work, that’s not the Holy Ghost. But if most of the people surrounding me are Mormon, and I have the same experience, then I put that down to HG.

I hear you sambee. I think what you are saying is vast why different then what we know or I was getting at.

The sensing of things from the outside and effecting it triggering a neural response is vastly different concept then feeling or sensing something without the right brain trigger and chemicals.

Without them you can feel or sense nothing at all. That is proven.

There is simply no way for a person to feel or sense something without it.

Midden science can hit specific areas of the brain with a magmatic pulse that can stop the right sensory from taking place.

Including moral judgement impairment, meaning also that not only are all senses and feelings coming from the brain but also a persons moral judgement.

But what you are saying is right in the sense that outside stimuli can effect emotion, but the outside stimuli is still causing the brain to react and release associated chemicals.

That’s different then feeling or sensing something from outside stimuli and the brain didn’t release the chemicals.

Without the release, you would feel or sense nothing at all.

Hence why we can conduct test that repeatedly demonstrate it while the magmatic pulse temp shuts off that part of the brain and aren’t able to feel or sense a thing temp.

Likewise when I person senses or feels something, taking brain actively can be observed.

You won’t find any real evidence that a person gent something and the brain wasn’t responding and releasing said chemicals.

But you are right that the outside stimuli can cause and trigger the brain to release them.

In fact I. Our life time we will have developed proper study to show a persons personality is a combination of various chemicals in the brain in various different quantities.

Hence why philosophers and religious leaders differ on the bible and doctrine.

It’s not because they are properly or not educated and it is shown it has little to do with actual doctrine.

They just are seeing and sensing things in a very different way because they have different chemical makeup.

Everyone’s brain is tinting the way they see and internet the world around them based on certain chemicals and quantity.

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More importantly, and this is where I will be volunteering much time and study and participation is the ability to control situations so that a person brain manufactures the wanted emotional response.

The brain us really quite easy to control and predict. There are very good recipes it formulas that can trick the mind into outputting the desired chemicals at the right time.

Pollyanna-ism is one of them. As in a recent thread.

More that certain environments and programs are designed to do this. It’s why bearing a testimony of anything is so powerful. It doesn’t have to be about a particular subject. Just the brain reacting and many people subconsciously self-imposing themselves in the person in testimony.

It’s why you can see people have very big reactions to shared experiences.

In indoctrination and in controlled environments it’s easy to manufacture many experiences on a subconscious level.

What I saw in test was stunning, various testimonies of world or politic leaders or even a belief of begins reduced by aliens in a testimony many others brains to react vicariously on situations they themselves didn’t experience. But there reactions of testimony and sobbing and feelings was shared and powerful no matter the person or subject.

I’m very interested on this research, because so is advertisement, business and government.

I believe in god and many things, but what we know is that the least thing we can trust, the least accurate is testimonies and feelings or senses.

It’s why as a species we need to move away from such models for decisions.

Only after we have done all we can and studied with the latest tools and research is it safe to use feelings or senses of any kind as the deciding factor. The data is their.

The most reliable and accurate model we have decoupled so far is the imperial evidence model.

But we are not creatures in a vacuum. Conscious or unconsciously, (most of our decisions have been found to take place in a unconscious level) we make decisions based on our chemical make up.

It’s part of being human, the least we can do is acknowledge are strengths and weaknesses and develop stratigraphic to use them and keep is safe.

That’s why I go with the D&C model. Empirical evidence if any combined with the feeling (what ever people want to call it).

Which is why it is morally wrong to tell others if they have or have bit felt the HG or other feelings.

We were not present inside their bodies at that moment in time with instrumentation.

It is taking away a persons freedom to declare what they felt it did not feel until they were ministered by proper instruments and test.

It has been dangerous to work with a book, declare absolute and them work what is true from there.

The bible and HG and feelings are just one tool in many HF gave us to know what is true. After we have study and tested all we have, we can turn to them to learn others we don’t yet know on faith.

[Anonymous]

For me the most enduring treasure of my earlier life in the church was the spiritual sense of living that seemed to permeate every aspect of my life – a life asset that remained in place even after I had rejected the uncomfortable shackles of literalist religion and requirements of a proscribed way of living.

Sam Keene has called that sort of proscribed way of being an “automatic stance.” The automatic stance of Mormons is their belief in revealed religion based on contemporary revelations from God going back to the earliest moments in Church history.

But for me the spiritual sense that eventually grew with my maturation was that of a God who communes individually with human beings – who does not restrict himself to chosen “prophets” or the contemporary holy icons of Mormon culture in particular and Christian culture in general. Early on I believed those who said God would prompt if I would listen. I also believed when they said God would not prompt if I was unworthy.

When my eventual mid-life crisis of faith commenced, I was surprised that I did not feel more painfully  bereft of God’s promptings despite the fact that the literalist culture had constantly and confidently predicted that those who fall away suffer the loss of the spirit. What was portrayed was a God prone to pouting and who would no longer speak to me because of divine displeasure with my non-conforming attitude, behavior and overall un-worshipful spirituality.

In Christian terms, one might describe it as deeply personal interaction with God through the Holy Spirit … but an interaction free of any restriction or proscriptions of scripture. Neither God nor I needed anyone else’s permission, approval or biblical validation to define our relationship.

In non-Christian terms, the on-going communion is an interaction with the higher power or a deeper source to which I belong, from which and within which I have a personal mortal identity.

Having obtained this knowledge and experience from inside a fundamentalist portrayal of reality and religion, my early years of habit in this way of being prompted and trusting the impulses were years of internalizing ideas and recognitions which were defined in the context of Church doctrine, theology and practice.  What I perceived as prompted was defined for me by those having religious authority over me. I have in recent years referred to those definitions as someone else’s magic.

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