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PressingForward wrote:
And who washes their bodies with Jack Daniels? (I might just have to start a new bathing routine
Actually I do. I use surgical alcohol to get rid of excess dirt on my face. I’ve used whisky at least once. I never use soap to wash my face.
And the bit about tobacco and cattle? That’s for real. It really does work on some sick cattle, so I’m told.
I was having to cut down my coffee consumption before rejoining the church anyway. It was giving me an unpleasant side effect…
SamBee wrote:And the bit about tobacco and cattle? That’s for real. It really does work on some sick cattle, so I’m told.
My dad used it to “worm” calves. He also used it to “worm” children. I don’t recommend it. But it does work – especially if the cat is using the sand pit for a litter box. Tobacco does take care of worms, I know this from experience.
😥 I say drink any tea you want. Avoid things that are bad for you, partake of those that are good. Do not rely on a contradictory doctrine to guide you to health. Use your common sense. I can no longer try and parse the WofW into what is OK and what is forbidden. It becomes a matter of splitting hairs. SamBee wrote:I use surgical alcohol to get rid of excess dirt on my face.
Come to think of it, my husband does the same thing after he uses clippers to “edge” his hair. I guess I was just thinking if alcohol in the ‘what we consume’ sense. But I see from what you’ve said, whisky works as well. Will definitely pass the word along!
cwald wrote:Tobacco does take care of worms, I know this from experience.
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Gross! But definitely good to know…. lolCadence wrote:I say drink any tea you want. Avoid things that are bad for you, partake of those that are good. Do not rely on a contradictory doctrine to guide you to health. Use your common sense. I can no longer try and parse the WofW into what is OK and what is forbidden. It becomes a matter of splitting hairs.
Agreed. I just think its important to note this this is not in scripture a commandment, but a word of wisdom. So like you said, use your common sense.
The part about hard alcohol being used to wash our bodies, in my opinion, relates to early prototype endowment ritual in Kirtland, which is also the location where Section 89 was “revealed.” The two concepts are contemporary to me. Even though I do not practice the WofW in a currently orthodox way, I firmly believe in the idea. I think it was divinely inspired, and it is also very practical — both personally and for society in a secular sense.
cwald wrote:SamBee wrote:And the bit about tobacco and cattle? That’s for real. It really does work on some sick cattle, so I’m told.
My dad used it to “worm” calves. He also used it to “worm” children. I don’t recommend it. But it does work – especially if the cat is using the sand pit for a litter box. Tobacco does take care of worms, I know this from experience.
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It also takes care of other parasites, like Scabies.You have to be careful not to expose yourself to too much, though. Topically, it can produce a physical stupor that is very disabling.
HiJolly
HiJolly wrote:You have to be careful not to expose yourself to too much, though. Topically, it can produce a physical stupor that is very disabling.
Wow, that sounds like a word of wisdom, HiJolly. In many ways, I wish the wholeWord of Wisdomwas just left at that…”Be careful not to expose yourself to too much, amen.” Heber13 wrote:HiJolly wrote:You have to be careful not to expose yourself to too much, though. Topically, it can produce a physical stupor that is very disabling.
Wow, that sounds like a word of wisdom, HiJolly. In many ways, I wish the wholeWord of Wisdomwas just left at that…”Be careful not to expose yourself to too much, amen.” Amen.
SamBee wrote:Now I’ve gone through some of the WoW stuff before, particularly as it specifies “
hotdrinks”, which could cover a lot of things, and omit others (ice tea anyone?) …
😆 I used to love iced tea – I thought it was more healthy than sugary sodas used to clean up accidents. But I have wondered about the whole idea of “hot drinks” – because JS also advised against smoking – before they knew it caused cancer. On the other hand, coffee & tea (esp. green) has been recommended by Doctors (in moderation). And it’s not an issue of temperature, because hot drinks are healthy in taking asprine or just when you’ve got a cold. On the other hand (or footNow I’ve gone through some of the WoW stuff before, particularly as it specifies “
hotdrinks”, which could cover a lot of things, and omit others (ice tea anyone?) …
😆 I used to love iced tea – I thought it was more healthy than sugary sodas used to clean up accidents. But I have wondered about the whole idea of “hot drinks” – because JS also advised against smoking – before they knew it caused cancer. On the other hand, coffee & tea (esp. green) has been recommended by Doctors (in moderation). And it’s not an issue of temperature, because hot drinks are healthy in taking asprine or just when you’ve got a cold. On the other hand (or footI suspect ice tea actually IS more healthy than certain sodas (which are jammed full of sugar, artificial colors/preservatives and heaven knows what else and what it shall do to you!)
Coffee and tea are great against the flu. They do have other problems though, especially for epileptics and people with heart trouble. Heart attacks can be triggered by too much coffee. It gives me heart palpitations and all.
I forgot to add in earlier that I think a current-orthodox practice of the Word of Wisdom CANbe a valuable religious practice that people choose post-crisis. There is really nothing wrong with it. Self-denial and religious dietary codes, when practiced consciously and with purpose, whether “rational” or “scientific” or not, can be a powerful symbolic experience. I fully support others who reconcile with the LDS faith and still keep the WofW the way most members expect. To be honest, that really is the most practical and drama-free route. Nothing wrong with that either. Nothing at all.
It really is important to realize that what Brian just said is “true” and valid. I simply don’t give a big rodent’s hairy hindquarters about breaking the WofW. It’s just not important at all to me. I understand every argument to do so, but I really just don’t care – and I understand the absolute need for some to follow it strictly. Therefore, I accept the status quo and don’t push the boundaries.
Again, that’s me – and I don’t expect or require others to see it that way.
However, it is important, imo, for all who struggle with some things to lessen the number of things with which they struggle– and letting go of this particular “issue” seems like a good place to start, especially if you really are one of the strong ones who isn’t tempted dangerously by what you have to give up to accept it. Man, Brian, I thought I had Tea 101 for Mormons down. You’ve got more of it figured out than me. I gave a very academic lesson on it one time in Gospel Principles. Anyway, I agree strongly with what Ray and Brian and Heber and pretty much the rest of you have said.
You might be interested to know that before I started coming back to the church, I had a particular health problem and my doctor recommended me to drink less tea and coffee. Make your own conclusions…. Confession time. After a half-century of living the word of wisdom to the max; no coffee, no tea, no smoking, no drinking, no drugs… I have in my old age, taken up tea. I love it! A sweet tea on a hot day, a hot tea on a cold night, it is one of those special little “pleasures” of life. I had recently (after Proposition 
, given up temple Mormonism and tithing. As I set around my mountaintop adobe, I felt the need to really sin. Since no self respecting female would even glance in my direction anymore, my idea of sin was rather restricted. With tea I found a breakthrough. I can officially no longer pass a temple recommend interview! Since I know longer attend temple, I guess it doesn’t matter much though. Will I branch into further sin, greater sin? No. I don’t think I would like coffee and after three score & ten, why would I want to take up drinking, or smoking, or drugs… So tea it is, my albatross (not sure that is the term I’m thinking of, but what the hay). If you like it black, stop by for a cup!
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